General WWE Discussion: Roman Weeps, Taker Retires, MNK/SAM/RDM LFP

[Tomiko]

Was Foley ever in RoH?

[Vagrant]

Maybe a promotional appearance here and there but that would be it and not certain if he did. I was thinking of Terry Funk but his TNA appearances were maybe once or twice and ROH not much more than that. Shane Douglas I don't believe ever worked for ROH but might be wrong on that as he has worked a ton with some of the past top ROH guys on the indies.

[Kang]

I actually had Foley in my list since he made more than one appearance with ROH. This list is hard because there are ALOT of guys who you can put in 4 of the 5 feds with ROH being the real wild card. I guess you can count SMW and CZW but I picked ROH based on them actually having a pretty solid TV presence (though not as large as the other 4 but bigger than the formers).

The third name I had on my list was Raven. Not many know he was actually in ROH having a good feud with CM Punk. Well, those are my 3. Would be interesting if anyone can name any others.

[noblemountain]

Raven/Punk has almost as many good memories for me as Raven/Dreamer.

[Krandor]

There's a few people where TNA is also the wild card, like Eddie Guerrero.

[noblemountain]

Sting just completed the old school trifecta of nwa/wcw/wwe. Probably the last nwa guy left who hadn't done so that had a shot in hell.

[Krandor]

Well, there could still be some guys around for the earlier years of TNA who could count since it was the NWA title.

[Krandor]

Unrelated but that AJ Styles/Yoshitatsu match posted awhile back where Yoshi fucked up taking the Styles Clash broke his neck in two places apparently.

[Melena]

Sting just completed the old school trifecta of nwa/wcw/wwe. Probably the last nwa guy left who hadn't done so that had a shot in hell.

Tna when it started was actually affiliated with nwa to start for I think two years. So you can technically add Jeff jarrett and raven to that list.

[Kang]

Raven was actually in WCW when they were still working together with the NWA (WCW was still using the NWA title).

[Makwa]

Anyone hear the interview with CM Punk yet? He spoke up for the first time since his departure. Apparently he bashes WWE pretty hard.
Guess it aired earlier, can't find a link.

[Melena]

Lordsofpain.net had excerpts from it. Was pretty brutal and said it killed his passion to wrestle.

[Tyrath]

Excerpt from lords of pain

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/...MBGiez0r7pm.99

- Former WWE Superstar CM Punk has finally spoken out about his WWE departure on the latest episode of Colt Cabana's Art of Wrestling podcast. It's a very in-depth interview with Punk going into detail about his health, last few months with WWE, his departure and what happened after that. The full interview is available on iTunes now. Below are a few highlights:

* He left after the Royal Rumble mainly because of his health. He talked about working with broken ribs, a concussion and bad knees during his last months with the company. Punk was so sick during last November's European tour that he was throwing up and dry heaving every night after his matches. He had a fever for months and no appetite. WWE doctors gave him so many antibiotics that he had an accident in the ring on SmackDown, all while watching his paychecks shrink. He said it was the worst he's ever felt in his life.

* He suffered a concussion early during the Royal Rumble match but still worked. He passed a concussion test the next day and called the testing "bullshit." WWE informed he passed but wanted him to run the ring ropes and evaluate him. Punk then demanded that they just decide he has a concussion and admitted that he had been trying to deny he was hurt and just tough it out.

Punk says that same day he was being pressured about taking a drug test and signing visas for future tours instead of listening to his requests for help because something was obviously wrong. Punk then told Vince McMahon and Triple H that he was going home. Punk says he told off Triple H about cutting off his momentum in 2011 and complained to Vince for stifling Punk's creativity. He says he told them both it was garbage how Daniel Bryan wasn't being considered for the WrestleMania XXX main event. Punk says he told them he didn't want to do this anymore and was done. Vince was in tears when he hugged Punk goodbye and told him he was family.

* However, Punk was actually fired from WWE. After he left in January, he was told a few weeks later by Vince McMahon through text message that he was being suspended for two months. This was the day before Vince told WWE shareholders that Punk had taken a sabbatical. Punk heard from no one in WWE once the suspension was over and received termination papers for breach of contract on his wedding day in June.

* Punk says he hired a very vicious lawyer to go after WWE and fight their claim of breach of contract. In the end, he got a settlement that gave him everything he asked for and more. Punk's not allowed to talk about the settlement. He said they are done and will never have a working relationship again. Punk says WWE wanted to issue a joint statement with him but he told them to "fuck off." WWE was worried he would go to TNA but Punk's lawyer told WWE that he despises wrestling now and will never wrestle again.

* He said wrestling Ryback took "20 years off his life" and described Ryback as "steroid guy."

[noblemountain]

The NWA died in 88, that abomination that came later was just sad and technically still around. Punk's interview is on Colt Cabana's Art of Wrestling podcast, I highly recommend a listen. Echoes everything I've heard from the boys in the past few years.

Also, quit using shitty Lords of Pain and go to PWInsider. Mike Johnson and Dave Scherer are two of the few real reporters, most every other site copies their shit or reports BS rumors that are nothing.

[Krandor]

Getting fired on your wedding day is some cold shit.

[Tyrath]

Just more quotes on on the Punk thing. Some repeats, some new.

There is a tremendous amount of material covered in the 2-hour podcast and we highly recommend you listen to the podcast to hear everything from Punk himself. We're covering Punk's final days in WWE below - but the podcast covers three years of Punk's WWE run, dating back to Money in the Bank 2011

After years of working through injuries and WWE's "toxic" creative environment, Punk requested a meeting with Vince McMahon and Triple H at the 2014 Royal Rumble.

"I looked Vince in the eye and I said, 'I do not love this anymore. I'm f----- sick, I'm f------ hurt, I'm f------ confused, I don't know as a business what we're doing anymore. Every day you tell me it's a team effort, but every day it's an individual effort by me to find what's necessary to even f-n come here. It's not fun. I have zero passion for this. I'm concussed, I'm hurt, and alls you care about is what segment I'm in and how soon I can get my gear on and how soon I can pee in this cup and I don't want to do it anymore.'

"I mentioned something about the piss test and Hunter said, 'Well, you know, Dave (Batista) just took the same piss test you did.' And I just looked at Hunter and went, 'Well, did you?' And he had nothing to say. I said (to McMahon), 'Look, I thought when I re-signed three years ago I told you if I couldn't be all that I said I could be, you could f----- fire me. And, if I was a fraud and anything less and fell short of the f------ mark - I said, 'I sold more shirts than John Cena until I turned heel for you. You said you owed me one. I worked guys that were dangerous and you said you owed me one. I did all these things and alls I wanted was the main event of WrestleMania. And it's fine if you don't think that is me and I'm not the caliber of that Superstar, but then you need to f------ fire me. Because I do not want to be here and I do not want to be anything else.' And then I will go somewhere else and get over because I can.

"You have shackled me, you have creatively stifled me, you have made this a very toxic environment, I no longer want to be here. It boggles my mind how Daniel Bryan has not figured into your plans to be in the main event of WrestleMania because this is his year. Just like two years ago when it was my year and I was white f----- hot, just like he is now, and what did you do? You fed me to this guy.' And I pointed to right at Hunter. Vince was like, 'This is the concussion talking. I can't believe you're saying any of this. It is a main event - you're wrestling Triple H."

"I politely turned to Hunter and I said, 'With all due respect, I do not need to wrestle you. You need to wrestle me. I do not want to wrestle you. I seriously resent you for not putting me over three years ago when you should have. That would have been best for business. But, you had to come in and squash it. And then I had to lose to Truth and Miz. It didn't make any business sense and now I'm in the position where I can tell you I don't have to nor do I want to wrestle you at WrestleMania. I don't care if I was supposed to win - which I was - I didn't want to give him the f------ privilege.

"I said a lot of s--- in there. I told them again - and Hunter was gritting his teeth, and he never liked me. Me and him in a room together - it was always negative vibes."

"Hunter told me I was in the main event because I wrestled The Undertaker," Punk continued. "I turned to him and said, 'Tell me I got paid the same amount of money as you, Brock, Cena, Rock, or whoever.' And once again, he had nothing to say. I was like, 'I'm out of here.' Vince, with tears in his eyes, went in for a hug, and it was like a reluctant patting on the back, then I looked at Hunter and he stuck his hand out and I shook his hand. I said, 'Goodbye,' and I walked out."

Punk said he had not officially quit the company at this point, which is "when the story got really good."

Vince McMahon texted him a week later and asked if he was ready to return yet, a sign that Vince really was not getting the message. Punk had been wrestling for months with a mass on his back that he says WWE doctors refused to properly diagnose. Punk went to a doctor that AJ Lee recommended who told him the mass was "a full-blown staph infection." When Punk told the doctor that he worked with the mass on his back for three months, Punk said the doctor told him: "You should be dead. You could have died."

Punk said Vince contacted him to tell him he's suspended for two months, with the suspension ending the day after WrestleMania. After the two month suspension was up, nobody from WWE contacted him. The next thing he heard about it was Vince McMahon telling investors that he was "on a sabbatical" and then his royalty checks stopped coming.

The royalty check issue was the "final straw" after all he had put up with. Punk recalled getting a text from Triple H on June 11, two days before his wedding to AJ Lee. Punk said he explained his situation to Hunter - he was getting married, going on his honeymoon and they could continue the discussion when he got back. On the day of his wedding, he received a FedEx package with his termination papers.

"I was fired on my wedding day," Punk said. That pushed him over the edge, especially clauses in the letter saying he forfeits all royalties and WWE claims a breach of contract retro-active to January.

Punk hired one of the top lawyers in Los Angeles to deal with the matter. Punk said he cannot talk about the terms of the settlement, but he "got everything I wanted and more." He said WWE owes him an apology for calling him a quitter in his home town of Chicago.

Punk said WWE was terrified of him going to TNA, but Punk's lawyer told them that Punk "absolutely despises pro wrestling" and he's "never going to wrestle again."

"There is no working relationship, and there never will be ever again. That wedding day thing was pretty ridiculous"

[Krandor]

It's justifiable but good god does Punk fucking hate HHH

[Krandor]

Colt's podcast made it to #1 on iTunes and tmz spit out a story about the interview, WWE's pr department is gonna have a long Thanksgiving weekend dealing with this I think.

[Kalmado]

Punk Interview stuff

http://i2.bebo.com/023/8/mediuml/200...15693358ml.jpg

[Anoat]

Damn indeed. Punk came out spitting some fire. That bridge is definitely burned to the ground. So long, AJ.