General WWE Discussion: Roman Weeps, Taker Retires, MNK/SAM/RDM LFP

**Yugl** · 2012-09-10 23:19

Even if the moves were limited during the attitude era, the match variety typically allowed different attacks so people would barely notice the repetition. Most of today's matches are stale NQ matches. When you have shit like inferno match, introduce weapons into the mix, and have traveling (Whether that be out of ring or atop a cage), repeated moves become less noticeable.

**NynJa** · 2012-09-10 23:36

Hi, I'm Randy Orton

power clothesline
powerslam
hangman DDT
RKO

but no one cares

**Exoduso** · 2012-09-10 23:43

Originally Posted by NynJa

Hi, I'm Randy Orton

power clothesline
powerslam
hangman DDT
RKO

but no one cares

omg, this x10000.

Also, I was waiting for months, hell years, for Cena to have a promo like the one he had at the end of RAW tonight. Still pulling for Punk though, I think the heel turn was a necessity but I can't help it but root for the guy every time a PPV rolls along. I hope the plan is to keep him champion until the RR so he can face Rock.

**BadKarma** · 2012-09-10 23:50

Cena's monologue was great tonight.

**Ziero** · 2012-09-11 00:09

Well that explains why the attitude era as a whole was more popular (and I do agree that they don't have the variety of matches today as they did back then), that's not a reason to specifically hate on Cena. The five moves of doom issue has been around since before him and the attitude era and can be found on other wrestlers who are still in the ring today. It's pretty much a staple of Professional Wrestling as a whole.

Also, after seeing some of those damn chair shots wrestlers used to take in the Attitude Era, I'm actually just fine with them not trying to kill themselves anymore. I always preferred the more technical matches anyway.

Originally Posted by Exoduso

omg, this x10000.

Also, I was waiting for months, hell years, for Cena to have a promo like the one he had at the end of RAW tonight. Still pulling for Punk though, I think the heel turn was a necessity but I can't help it but root for the guy every time a PPV rolls along. I hope the plan is to keep him champion until the RR so he can face Rock.

Him name dropping Stone Cold tonight would also be a good way for that fan dream Punk/Austin WM match to actually build up. Going against Rock at the Rumble then facing Austin at WM would easily cement Punk's position as a big name main eventer in the company, and would probably make for some great fights. Still, it's a shame the WWE is still relying on past superstars to bring in buys when it could easily promote new names if they just stepped back with the executive meddling. It was because these guys could run wild and do their own things that made them so enjoyable to watch in the first place.

**Tyrath** · 2012-09-11 00:53

Punk/Austin not happening this Wrestlemania. Not a chance. Austin won't agree to a match where Rock and Lesnar are already going to be wrestling. He'll want one where he is the big highlight so WM30 at the earliest if ever.

**arus2001** · 2012-09-11 00:59

Yeah, I don't need hardcore matches or similar variants to enjoy shows. Gimmicky stuff like casket matches and such can still work, but throwing guys into shit that'd literally draw blood is a no no. I still cringe thinking of those old matches where they'd roll around in piles of tacks.

But yeah, I'm not so sure the PG angle is entirely on the WWE themselves. I'm sure USA/NBC has a say on what shows up, which naturally influences the secondary programs on SyFy or CW.

And I'm a Cena fan, and believe he could "wrestle" if it was actually called of him. He's a big guy and decently agile. Certainly not a dumb guy if his mic skills are any indication, too. But it's just easier for him to be a brawler due to his size on top of many others gets thrown against being just that, too. Anyway, I'm hoping Punk loses since it'd be a better catalyst for hm turning heel and running with Heyman on the whole "WWE SCREWED ME!" card. It also keeps Heyman around to blabber about Brock when he and HHH tangle again.

**Doombear** · 2012-09-11 02:06

Tonight was just... wow. From Lawler to the Friendship Team to Cena just going S-tier on Punk. Wow. Maybe there was still a lot of meh overall, and it was damned hard to watch knowing that Lawler was going to be carted out (on the west coast feed here, but had heard an hour or so before it started what had happened) but BAH GAWD WHAT A RAW.

**Exoduso** · 2012-09-11 02:44

Can I just add that i'm simply obsessed with the Bryan/Kane angle? This is just what the tag division needed to get spiced up. An unlikely pair that doesn't get along but comes out winning the tag titles anyways. I really doubt the tag titles will stay with Kofi/Truth come Sunday, simply because they're irrelevant at this point and the tag titles are all but forgotten unless WWE puts them on Bryan/Kane and makes them interesting again.
Go Team Friendship!

PS, where are all the dumbasses who said Danielson had no charisma? The guy is an absolute genius and a pleasure to watch. Every moment he gets on TV is, simply put, amazing and entertaining.

edit: I like how they're having these comedy segments lately, the writers are really stepping up their game. Tonight, for instance, it was the whole Cross-Examination with Otunga/Ricardo/Sheamus.
Sheamus... Lipschitz! Hava Nagila! haha..

**Ziero** · 2012-09-11 03:45

Originally Posted by Tyrath

Punk/Austin not happening this Wrestlemania. Not a chance. Austin won't agree to a match where Rock and Lesnar are already going to be wrestling. He'll want one where he is the big highlight so WM30 at the earliest if ever.

If I had my choice, I'd much rather see Austin/Punk then Rock/Lesnar. Nevermind the fact I was never a big fan of either The Rock or Lesnar, but the simple fact that an Austin/Punk fued would help promote a talent that currently has a future with the WWE as opposed to being a simple money grab by throwing two older big names on the card.

As for Cena, from everything I've heard, he can be a pretty decent technical wrestler as he's always been one of the hardest working guys in the biz but creative prefers him to be the brawler/strongman type. The dude knows wrestling and has been doing it all of his life, I'm sure he could bust out something more complex then a shoulder tackle and fist drop if he was allowed to.

**Tyrath** · 2012-09-11 08:44

I would like to see Austin as well. Just saying it's not in the cards because they all won't happen at the same event.

**Anoat** · 2012-09-11 14:30

Last I read about Lawler still sounds pretty serious. Had a stint and balloon procedure and still heavily sedated. Some reports are saying he actually died but the EMTs that luckily happened to be literally 3 feet away from him at the time it happened were able to revive him before they went to the hospital.

**Vagrant** · 2012-09-11 14:39

Yeah the reports say he was clinically dead for 20 minutes before they managed to resuscitate him with the defibrillator. He's supposed to undergo another procedure on his heart at some point as well but he's in stable condition. Like was said earlier it ends up being incredibly lucky that this happened during the show and not a few hours later. Had he been in his hotel room and had the heart attack it's unlikely he would have survived.

**Anoat** · 2012-09-11 14:59

I'm not one to believe the "20 minutes dead" story. Nobody dies for 20 minutes and comes back lol....you start to have severe brain damage at even just a couple of minutes without oxygen. Unless we are getting Zombie Jerry Lawler.

**Tyrath** · 2012-09-11 15:33

20 minutes sounds like a gross exaggeration. 20 seconds maybe. lol

**Melena** · 2012-09-12 13:43

Originally Posted by Tyrath

20 minutes sounds like a gross exaggeration. 20 seconds maybe. lol

You can be clinically dead for a few minutes and still pull out. Just the longer you go obviously the greater the risk of brain damage if you do survive. With that said, his family announced the tests on his brain came back negative, so he should hopefully make a full recovery.

**Tyrath** · 2012-09-12 22:17

Originally Posted by Melena

You can be clinically dead for a few minutes and still pull out. Just the longer you go obviously the greater the risk of brain damage if you do survive. With that said, his family announced the tests on his brain came back negative, so he should hopefully make a full recovery.

Yeah I know. But 20 minutes is absurd.

**Melena** · 2012-09-13 11:07

I agree that was probably an exageration. My guess is probably 1-3 minutes while they stretchered him backstage and started jump starting his heart.

**Ziero** · 2012-09-13 17:22

Recent news say he's up and walking around now and is on the road to being fully recovered. No serious damage to his brain and all his procedures went smoothly.

**Vagrant** · 2012-09-13 20:58

Yeah his girlfriend just posted a tout with him addressing the fans from his hospital room.

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