General WWE Discussion: Roman Weeps, Taker Retires, MNK/SAM/RDM LFP

**Tyrath** · 2012-12-27 15:11

So is his face turn done or what?

**arus2001** · 2012-12-27 16:00

Still wondering were people were getting the turn idea from, but my beef with that vid is: 1) No way ADR couldn't have seen him. 2) Maybe going 5mph tops. 3) It looked more like Santa leaped onto the hood than get clipped by a slow moving vehicle.

**NynJa** · 2012-12-27 16:22

Originally Posted by arus2001

Still wondering were people were getting the turn idea from, but my beef with that vid is: 1) No way ADR couldn't have seen him. 2) Maybe going 5mph tops. 3) It looked more like Santa leaped onto the hood than get clipped by a slow moving vehicle.

Hence why the camera was panned away and did the audio over of the screeching tires...

**Anoat** · 2012-12-27 19:22

I still don't know how the tree manages to fall. They didn't even get anywhere near it. Someone off camera had to push it over, its just so obviously bad lol

**Ziero** · 2012-12-27 19:47

Originally Posted by arus2001

Still wondering were people were getting the turn idea from, but my beef with that vid is: 1) No way ADR couldn't have seen him. 2) Maybe going 5mph tops. 3) It looked more like Santa leaped onto the hood than get clipped by a slow moving vehicle.

The Turn talk came from the fact he was teaming with Miz and random old wrestlers to fight against the 3MB since they were heeling it up against the spanish announcers. Wrestling with "faces" while defending someone else usually denotes a face turn, but I guess it wasn't a long lived one.

As for the Santa incident, the whole episode required a suspension of disbelief on the level of cartoons and kids show. It was all one big tongue in cheek joke they played straight the whole episode and I thought it was pretty damn funny overall. The street fight was just ridiculous with the gags they pulled so it's hard to take anything from that episode serious.

From now to the Rumble, we're mostly gonna get the half assed stuff. It's not until the build up to WM that things really get good (hopefully).

**NynJa** · 2012-12-27 22:31

I dont think anything monday was to swerve any storylines, just to have a comical christmas episode

**Mjd** · 2012-12-28 09:16

Originally Posted by Tyrath

So is his face turn done or what?

The Mexican Jewish Aristocrat, Alberto Del Rio

***Makwa*** · 2012-12-28 10:15

This RAW was recorded a while ago I think, when he was still a heel. Least that's what I heard.

**Kalmado** · 2012-12-28 11:59

I watched Legends of Wrestling: Factions yesterday which was aired 04/30/12 I believe, and found it funny how 1)Tazz is on the panel since he works for TNA 2)Jim Ross openly states the majority of matches right now mean absolutely nothing(he elaborates why). Was funny to hear Ric Flair say nWo was the worst faction of all time.

**Tyrath** · 2012-12-28 13:01

Originally Posted by Makwa

This RAW was recorded a while ago I think, when he was still a heel. Least that's what I heard.

No, as I said on the last page it was recorded a week before.

**NynJa** · 2012-12-28 13:48

Originally Posted by NynJa

I dont think anything monday was to swerve any storylines, just to have a comical christmas episode

Quoting due to being my most accurate plausible reply.

**Kang** · 2012-12-28 17:21

Originally Posted by Kalmado

I watched Legends of Wrestling: Factions yesterday which was aired 04/30/12 I believe, and found it funny how 1)Tazz is on the panel since he works for TNA 2)Jim Ross openly states the majority of matches right now mean absolutely nothing(he elaborates why). Was funny to hear Ric Flair say nWo was the worst faction of all time.

I believe this episode is a few years old, back when Tazz was still with WWE.

**Clemz** · 2012-12-28 17:29

Also, as much as I dislike Flair, he's really right about nWo being a terrible faction. Don't get me wrong, it was a revolutionary for the sport. Early nWo was killer, when the Outsiders first jumped ship to WCW and you legitimately felt that the WWE was sending people over to bring everything down. Even Hogan and Bischoff being added to the stable it was still pretty strong. That's where it started to go downhill though, with the boss being aligned with a certain faction(non-kayfabe), the politics really start to cause nothing but trouble in the back. Then they started expanding and bringing people in left and right, and eventually had nWo branded PPVs. It really degenerated into an absolutely awful faction, that while it catapulted WCW ahead in the Monday Night Wars, it ultimately killed the company. Oh, not to mention the red/black and white/black split, then all the other stupid spin-offs(Latino World Order and the like).

If you've got Netflix, watch the nWo DVD on there, it explains it way better than I could.

**Anoat** · 2012-12-28 19:05

Well you also have to remember that Flair HATES Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, and Sean Waltman. His beef, according to him at least, was how they took the big paycheck from WCW instead of showing loyalty to Vince after he made them stars. That's gotta be awkward since Flair hates 3/5 of the Clique but is supposedly BFFs with HBK and HHH.

**Clemz** · 2012-12-28 19:21

Which all makes zero sense considering Flair was in WCW, jumped to WWE where the money was, then went back to WCW(before Hall and Nash even) when Turner offered them a prime time slot and guaranteed contracts. That's ignoring the fact that basically all Flair has done for the past 10 years is money-grab and "retire" like 8 different times. Like I said, I really don't like Flair, but as great as nWo started out, it went to shit really, really fast. And really, in a business like professional wrestling, where your career could literally end in any given match on any given day, I don't blame anyone at all for going where the money is, so it's just a dumb argument all around.

**Melena** · 2012-12-28 19:38

Currently watching the best of the king of the ring on Netflix. Brings back so many good memories. Jerry Lawler was such a bad ass heel back then. I think a lot of current wrestlers should watch his matches to learn how to get some real heat.

**Trichocyst** · 2012-12-29 12:01

nWo was an incredible faction until it became a terrible faction. It went from this hot, lethal, elite establishment to having Horace Hogan as a member. Who really remembers the glory days of Scott Norton, VK Wallstreet, and Big Bubba Rogers being the elites of wrestling? They probably could have salvaged it with a storyline that addressed the watering down of the nWo but it was just a hot mess spiraling out of control and making money hand over fist in spite of itself. Read The Death of WCW for a good, third party, assessment of the whole story of WCW and the nWo. I really enjoyed some of the WWE releases that cover it (like Monday Night Wars) but there is always that state run media aspect to them.

And Ric Flair seems to hate everyone until he can make some money with them. He's like Vince McMahon that way.

Degenxerate · 2012-12-29 12:50

New Age Outlaws Return 12/26/12 vs Team Rhodes Scholars Full Match
This was a house show. I want more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9e3U4HykU4

**ArchDizzle** · 2012-12-29 14:12

Damn I miss the NAO, that was great.

**Trichocyst** · 2012-12-29 16:48

I really like those Legends of Wrestling roundtables. I've always enjoyed the behind the scenes stories and they are always so well produced.

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