Georgia/Arizona push abortion law to 20 weeks

[Ashmada]

The choice is to have sex or not. If that woman didn't have the choice and was forced to have sex, then give the child up for adoption. Life sucks and isn't fair, and the more fair you try to make it, the less fair it is becomes for someone else (the child).

My bro adopted a child whose mother (18 years old) was raped. Guess what? The kid is now 10 and is a straight A student. Why should my nephew not have the right to live because his sperm donor was a terrible human being?

Everyone wins this way. Yes it sucks that the mom got raped, yes it sucked she had to carry him for 9 months. But my nephew has brought 10 years+ of joy to my brother and his wife. Are we so selfish of a society now that we won't sacrifice anything for the greater good? The mother did the right thing, not the selfish thing, and my bro is thankful for it every single day.

The average liberal wants to give give give! That's great! There is nothing better than the gift of life!

Lulz.

[Egon]

http://mlkshk.com/r/DG2Y

So you think that the mother doesn't feel that she did the right thing? Getting an abortion doesn't make the rape invalid. It doesn't take away the life long scares. Why not have some good come out of it other than all evil?

[TacoTaru]

I'm not qualified to make any judgement of her decision. The decision to carry a baby conceived during rape is one entirely of the mother and for me to say what she did one way or the other would be stupid and insulting. You are correct, abortion doesn't make the rape invalid and I'm glad that her choosing to keep the child resulted in several years of happiness for your family; although, if her choice had been abortion I would not have considered it "evil" in any regard.

The reason I posted what I did was because you acknowledge she is raped, refer to the rapist as a "sperm donor", then cap it all off with "everyone wins". If you can't see why I posted what I did in response to that I don't know what to tell you.

I also can't tell if I'm responding to a troll post or not, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you just worded the post in the most awful and ill-conceived way imaginable.

[archibaldcrane]

Because she may not feel like it.

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[Helm]

You make the erroneous assumption that in all cases that particular choice is the best choice. Just because in the particular case you cited it has "thus far" worked out for you (you have no right to judge how it's working out for the girl who was raped and if it would have been better or worse for her if she had gotten rid of it) it does NOT follow that you can just go around applying this to all cases. All this begs the question: What particular right do you have to decided what works best for anyone even if the choice they make is "sub-optimal" your particular standards?

I also find your choice to couch your arguments in terms such as "good and evil" to be rather problematic as it reeks of some sort of God-Truth rather than something built on reason. If you're going to try and pick fights with people, you may as learn what is acceptable debate procedure instead of, "Woooo look at me say whatever the fuck I want."

[Pirian]

So you think that the mother doesn't feel that she did the right thing? Getting an abortion doesn't make the rape invalid. It doesn't take away the life long scares. Why not have some good come out of it other than all evil?

Rape! He gets forceful entry into your vagina, and you get the joy of bringing a life into this world --

Everyone wins!

[Egon]

I have no right sticking up for this girl? Just as I have no right sticking up for the child? And how dare you say the child is working out "so far." Yea ok, you want women to be selfish, and piss on everyone else trying to do the right thing and making other people happy.

What about the liberal way of thinking where the good of one out weighs the many? This is one family effected in a good way, and in your eyes a minority. Where is their bleeding hear liberal rushing to their aid?


Edit: and what gives me the right to tell her what's good for her? Nothing does, but the Bible does. And I try to do what the Bible says, as should everyone else. God is the higher power.

[Egon]

I have no right sticking up for this girl? Just as I have no right sticking up for the child? And how dare you say the child is working out "so far." Yea ok, you want women to be selfish, and piss on everyone else trying to do the right thing and making other people happy.

What about the liberal way of thinking where the good of one out weighs the many? This is one family effected in a good way, and in your eyes a minority. Where is their bleeding hear liberal rushing to their aid?


Edit: and what gives me the right to tell her what's good for her? Nothing does, but the Bible does. And I try to do what the Bible says, as should everyone else. God is the higher power.

Edit2: and for the record I have never told anyone pregnant to get or not to get an abortion.

[archibaldcrane]

Edit: and what gives me the right to tell her what's good for her? Nothing does, but the Bible does. And I try to do what the Bible says, as should everyone else. God is the higher power.

And god is the one who will judge, so stop trying to do it yourself.

His word has been heard, people choose to accept or reject - it is not your responsibility to take up the cause for those who reject it, in fact, the bible would explicitly teach you not to do so. That's god's job.

[Egon]

Actually, the Bible tells me it is my job.

[archibaldcrane]

Actually, the Bible tells me it is my job.

To judge others?

I think not.

Something about "he who is without sin" is in there.

[Chun Liroy]

What about other religions. Are they invalid?

What if yours is the invalid one?

[Pirian]

I have no right sticking up for this girl? Just as I have no right sticking up for the child? And how dare you say the child is working out "so far." Yea ok, you want women to be selfish, and piss on everyone else trying to do the right thing and making other people happy.

What about the liberal way of thinking where the good of one out weighs the many? This is one family effected in a good way, and in your eyes a minority. Where is their bleeding hear liberal rushing to their aid?


Edit: and what gives me the right to tell her what's good for her? Nothing does, but the Bible does. And I try to do what the Bible says, as should everyone else. God is the higher power.

The truth is, if that woman got an abortion then your brother and his wife would have got another kid, and in all likelihood that child would also be a straight A student, because a child at age 10 doesn't get straight A's because he's a good kid, he gets them because the parents are good parents (Yes, some children are naturally smarter). There is an over-abundance of parent-less children in the world that needed that home just as badly.

btw I'm adopted and am still support the right of women to choose.

[Egon]

To judge others?

I think not.

Something about "he who is without sin" is in there.

I never casted a stone.

[Egon]

What about other religions. Are they invalid?

What if yours is the invalid one?

Little thing called faith.

[Helm]

You're lucky I enjoy making people look stupid, although it's not as if you need any assistance in doing this.

I have no right sticking up for this girl?

You have no right to decide what she does. If she decided to abort instead of carrying to term you would still stick up for her? This seems unlikely, as you note below she wouldn't be doing "the right thing" that your god prescribes.

Just as I have no right sticking up for the child?

Are you defending that child specifically or all children? If you're merely talking about that single child adopted into your extended family you are entitled to your opinion and how you interact with that child. If you are talking about all children and potential children, then no, no you do not have the means, rights or ability to enforce what -you- think is best.

And how dare you say the child is working out "so far."

I dare because you make a foolish argument. You say that her keeping the child was best because your brother has a child he's happy with who gets straight A's and is all you could ask for. You use the reasoning that the ends are justified by the means. It's terrible that the girl was raped, but at least your family has a great kid now. Your logic is that the "result" was good so obviously it was the best, however this sort of logic only works in hindsight. You could not have known how the child or how happy your brother would be until things have reached this point unless you were making statements as if you were some sort of seer. If this is acceptable reasoning I could posit that perhaps the child will turn out to be quite unstable a few years from now and kill your family; I think in the case where your child turned out to bring something that is clearly not the "greatest good" you fold like a deck of cards. This is stupid.

Yea ok, you want women to be selfish, and piss on everyone else trying to do the right thing and making other people happy.

You want women to do what you tell them to do because you think you know what is right and for the best while they have no ability to choose this on their own.

What about the liberal way of thinking where the good of one out weighs the many? This is one family effected in a good way, and in your eyes a minority. Where is their bleeding hear liberal rushing to their aid?

I don't know of anyone making the argument for the good of one over the many, and frankly I think that's almost as foolish as arguing the good of many outweighs the one.

Edit: and what gives me the right to tell her what's good for her? Nothing does, but the Bible does. And I try to do what the Bible says, as should everyone else. God is the higher power.

People, like you, seem to think they can act as a proxy for a god. You "read" and "understand" the bible so you feel fit to decide what is best for other people even if they don't follow it. There is nothing I can argue against this, but I think you're delusional if you believe that anyone should be forced into following your book.

[Chun Liroy]

Idk. I don't like dem odds especially when it comes to judging people.

[archibaldcrane]

I never casted a stone.

You...realize that story is a metaphor.

You're saying that people who get abortions when they are raped are doing wrong, you are judging their actions very explicitly. You are engaging in behavior that is reserved for god. You are a shitty christian.

[Egon]

So when John the Baptist called a group of people a "brood of vipers" he was sinning? I think not. Very people understand the "judge not" passage because they never read the full story. Read the rest of the story and you find the woman getting stoned was told NOT TO SIN. This doesn't give people the right to not get judged.

[Helm]

While I was hoping to give you the benefit of the doubt, I'm now fairly sure you're trolling.