The Prenatal Holocaust

[Moosey]

If that is your definition, than my big toe is human. Except, like my big toe, if you cut off a fetus from the woman then it will die. It is not a human.

Does your big toe also have its own completely unique DNA? No, it doesn't, because it's only a part of a human, but not human on its own. If you don't feed yourself you'll die too.

There was a player who also named Moosey in the Phoenix server and his main job was DRK. Would be hilarious if it turns out to be you.

There was a WHM named Haiku in the Phoenix server. Would be hilarious if it turns out to be you.

[Greatguardian]

No, that's a scientific question. "What is life?" is probably the philosophical question you were looking for. A human is defined as being a mammal in the species of Homo sapiens. A fetus is no less Homo sapiens than a fully grown adult is.

lol scientific question. You must be masturbating pretty furiously over there, what with all this attention you're getting. Do you like that feeling; that rush of self-righteousness you get when you fight the online masses in the name of truth, justice, and the American way?

[RKenshin]

Does your big toe also have its own completely unique DNA? No, it doesn't, because it's only a part of a human, but not human on its own. If you don't feed yourself you'll die too.

So is your differentiation here between a fetus and anything else, the fact that it has DNA?

Because, you know, skin cells have their own strands of DNA. (nevermind the millions in your toe, between skin/blood/bone/etc)

[Moosey]

lol scientific question. You must be masturbating pretty furiously over there, what with all this attention you're getting. Do you like that feeling; that rush of self-righteousness you get when you fight the online masses in the name of truth, justice, and the American way?

Yeah, i'm loving this, especially when all you do is make posts attacking me without anything of substance to contribute to any discussion!

So is your differentiation here between a fetus and anything else, the fact that it has DNA?

Because, you know, skin cells have their own strands of DNA. (nevermind the millions in your toe, between skin/blood/bone/etc)

Which is unique to every living human that has ever lived.

[Pirian]

Does your big toe also have its own completely unique DNA? No, it doesn't, because it's only a part of a human, but not human on its own. If you don't feed yourself you'll die too.

Actually, having completely unique DNA doesn't qualify as human. Identical twins have the same DNA, so by your definition they are only 1 individual.

[RKenshin]

Which is unique to every living human that has ever lived.

OK, so you're saying that its murder if you kill anything with its own unique DNA?

So, it's now murder to treat cancerous (or any other form) of cell mutations? And stem cells?

That definition doesn't work, you'll have to try again.

[Greatguardian]

Yeah, i'm loving this, especially when all you do is make posts attacking me without anything of substance to contribute to any discussion!

No, I know you are. It's what you're here for. You claim to be fostering discussion, but all you're doing is throwing out buzzwords and catchphrases. "Define this!", "Define that!". That's not how one engenders a productive discussion.

If you actually wanted to have a discussion, here's what you'd do:

1) Generate basic definitions for what can and can not be considered "Alive", what can and can not be considered "Human", and at what point a human being is no longer in control of their own body. These must be presented as axioms, not as conclusions or case-specific arguments. If you don't know what an axiom is, then the fact that you're asking for "discussion" is made even funnier.

2) Wait for the oncoming wave of people pointing out the inherent contradictions in your axioms, and throw your axioms away.

3) Repeat until you've either given up and admit that you can't back up your stance, or you've actually generated axioms that people are unable to refute. Good luck with that!

But you won't anyways because we both know you're only here because you get a kick out of fighting off the internet hordes.

[Qalbert]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/child

CHECKMATE, ABORTIONISTS

[Tagus]

I wonder if aborted fetuses ever haunt their mother's vaginas. Come to think of it, that would make a great sitcom.

Man: "Oh yeah, baby, it feels soooo good inside of you..."

Aborted fetus baby ghost: GET OUT

Man: "What the fuck was that?"

Woman: "oh, that's just my aborted fetus baby's ghost, it haunts my vajayjay now... just ignore him"

-cue laugh track-





Fucking hell, I'm pretty sleep deprived.... forgive me jesus

[Indeed]

Fuck earth. Let's just make everyone have every baby ever conceived. Fuck figuring out the logistics of getting their basic needs met. It's way more acceptable in the eyes of God to die of starvation or some other peril of a massively overpopulated earth.

[ronin sparthos]

Fuck earth. Let's just make everyone have every baby ever conceived. Fuck figuring out the logistics of getting their basic needs met. It's way more acceptable in the eyes of God to die of starvation or some other peril of a massively overpopulated earth.

You just nailed the logic of many pro-lifers. I can't wait to tell you what you've won.

[Skjie]

My question for Moosey, what about my friend with a condition where giving birth would kill her? If she got pregnant and did not abort, they would both die. Add in that due to her age, she is not able to have her Uterus removed in America.

[Correction]

My question for Moosey, what about my friend with a condition where giving birth would kill her? If she got pregnant and did not abort, they would both die. Add in that due to her age, she is not able to have her Uterus removed in America.

Ask your friend how it feels being a 21st century Hitler.

[Kohan]

Fuck earth. Let's just make everyone have every baby ever conceived. Fuck figuring out the logistics of getting their basic needs met. It's way more acceptable in the eyes of God to die of starvation or some other peril of a massively overpopulated earth.

Personally, I believe I've figured out a great solution to this problem: let the mature adults eat the babies.

You wouldn't even have to hunt them down, they're completely defenseless, and it isn't as if such a society would regard that fairy tale leftist nonsense known as "science" anyway, so we all know that no terrible ailments could result of this practice. There wouldn't be any abortions, and you wouldn't have to worry about the things you've mentioned, like overpopulation and starvation. It's a win-win situation.

Every now and then, we'd have to let one survive, if we're to keep our society afloat. Otherwise, though? Cook 'em.

[Tajin]

That raises the question "can we breed them as fast as we can eat them?"

[Kohan]

I didn't say they'd have to be our main form of sustenance. Consider them a delicacy.

If they grow up, they consume too many resources, and everyone suffers. If most of them are eaten, it's a non-issue.

[Tajin]

My thoughts were more along the lines of we'd need to fuck more. win win situation.

[Kohan]

That's fine too. I believe that these ideas can coexist harmoniously.

[archibaldcrane]

Fetuses are human, I hate when pro-choicers dispute this. But, the idea that "killing a human means you are a murderer" is fucking hilarious. There are countless situations where killing a human does not make you a murderer, and when said human hasn't been born yet is one of the many situations.

Don't be afraid of fetuses being humans - embrace the idea that killing humans is only wrong situationally, not unconditionally.

[Yugl]

Fetuses are human, I hate when pro-choicers dispute this. But, the idea that "killing a human means you are a murderer" is fucking hilarious. There are countless situations where killing a human does not make you a murderer, and when said human hasn't been born yet is one of the many situations.

Don't be afraid of fetuses being humans - embrace the idea that killing humans is only wrong situationally, not unconditionally.

Are you serious or sarcastic about this?