NY Moves to Ban Sex Offenders From Gaming Platforms

[Greatguardian]

I did say almost, because I knew CS was the only one to disagree. And while I think he's wrong, I do still respect his opinion.

As far as everything else you're saying, I'll have to disagree with that as well. It's much to general a statement. Using this example, who do you think Day(the person who is speaking) believes to be the most disrespectful, arrogant, and condescending person reacting to his comments? Yugl, who is asking questions about it, or the rest of us, who just assumed we knew what he meant (and were correct).

Respect is something that's given, whether or not it's perceived to be received is another thing entirely.

Sometimes there really are just two sides to an argument. Yes you can divide each group on and on into very ridiculously specific lines of thought, but its not necessary nor is it relevant to the actual question/conversation many times.

Only on primetime news. Complex issues cannot be adequately boiled down to yes/no questions.

I honestly do get what you're saying, but you guys have to understand that this is a video game forum, and not everyone is going to speak in a super formal way. People are going to speak casually, say wtf they are thinking (in a very general way) and expect people to follow along with their general thoughts (as you would with any friends you speak with casually offline).

Edit: I think Hey was taking a jab at you when he said that too lol. I could be wrong though.

I don't come into the poopdeck to read casual bar talk. I don't mind if people want to engage in it, but it's not the accepted default from my point of view.

And I know Hey may have been making a jab at me, but that doesn't change the fact that he's accurately summing up my perspective in this matter. Why someone thinks something is infinitely more important than what they think. Coming to the right conclusion for the wrong reasons is still wrong, and coming to the wrong conclusion for the right reasons is humbling food for thought.

[Eurell]

Respect is something that's given, whether or not it's perceived to be received is another thing entirely.

While thats true, I still disagree with you on who was more respectful towards Day in this instance.

Only on primetime news. Complex issues cannot be adequately boiled down to yes/no questions.

Some issues are needlessly made much more complicated than need be. Obviously in the eyes of many people here, child molestation being worse than other molestations isn't a complex issue. It's very straight forward to us.

I don't come into the poopdeck to read casual bar talk. I don't mind if people want to engage in it, but it's not the accepted default from my point of view.

Fair enough, but just because its not your accepted default, doesn't mean it isn't everyone else's.

And I know Hey may have been making a jab at me, but that doesn't change the fact that he's accurately summing up my perspective in this matter. Why someone thinks something is infinitely more important than what they think. Coming to the right conclusion for the wrong reasons is still wrong, and coming to the wrong conclusion for the right reasons is humbling food for thought.

This is another thing I can agree with you on For the most part. But absolutely not all the time. Sometimes all we need is an answer, and digging into people's thought process and needlessly picking apart minute pieces of an argument doesn't do anything but anger people and push them away from any future meaningful discussion.

[Greatguardian]

All I can really say to respond to that is that I am a scientist. Some people are okay knowing that the sky is blue. I have to know why the sky is blue and not green, or red, or purple.

I understand that not everyone feels the same way, but the primary point is that when I ask someone for clarification on something it's not because I want to nitpick them or be annoying - it's because I want to know more. It's absolutely not malicious.

[Eurell]

All I can really say to respond to that is that I am a scientist. Some people are okay knowing that the sky is blue. I have to know why the sky is blue and not green, or red, or purple.

I understand that not everyone feels the same way, but the primary point is that when I ask someone for clarification on something it's not because I want to nitpick them or be annoying - it's because I want to know more. It's absolutely not malicious.

I can absolutely agree with all of this. Sometimes that extra specification just seems so needless and tiring when we all (except for CS) agreed with Day in the first place.

[Yugl]

I agreed with CS on that issue.

[Greatguardian]

As did I, actually. I touched a little bit on why earlier in the thread.

[Eurell]

I may have misread. I thought Yugl last said he didn't agree with Day's defense reasoning, but did agree with the others that child molestation was worse. And I honestly don't remember GG saying anything at all on this particular issue.

My apologies on that one.

[Greatguardian]

It's no biggie. I'm more curious as to precisely why it is that people feel child molestation is worse than adult molestation. As far as I'm concerned, they're both equally heinous crimes.

The problem with using defense reasoning is that it shifts a portion of the blame for the crime on the adult victim for being unable to defend themselves. It's why crimes like male rape are under reported and rarely prosecuted.

I could understand where people are coming from if they were to bring up the lasting damage done to a child's psyche, but I don't believe that the damage is noticeably less catastrophic in adult victims. In the past I dated a woman who was actually raped while we were together (not while I was physically there, of course), so I got front row seats for how badly her life got fucked up by it. The biggest difference in my view is that adults are expected to get over these sorts of things faster when they really can't. No matter how old you are when it happens, it fucks you over pretty bad.

[hey]

Edit: I think Hey was taking a jab at you when he said that too lol. I could be wrong though.

Not really. I meant what i said.

[Eurell]

It's no biggie. I'm more curious as to precisely why it is that people feel child molestation is worse than adult molestation. As far as I'm concerned, they're both equally heinous crimes.

The problem with using defense reasoning is that it shifts a portion of the blame for the crime on the adult victim for being unable to defend themselves. It's why crimes like male rape are under reported and rarely prosecuted.

I could understand where people are coming from if they were to bring up the lasting damage done to a child's psyche, but I don't believe that the damage is noticeably less catastrophic in adult victims. In the past I dated a woman who was actually raped while we were together (not while I was physically there, of course), so I got front row seats for how badly her life got fucked up by it. The biggest difference in my view is that adults are expected to get over these sorts of things faster when they really can't. No matter how old you are when it happens, it fucks you over pretty bad.

The true tragedy with child molestation is that it creates an imbalance in the victim that lasts a lifetime. Not every kid deals with it in the same way, either... some people put it in their past and lead normal lives, others turn to drugs, alcohol, criminal activity... and others become child molesters. Either way, it creates a permanent stain on a person's life that they have to deal with forever. I mean, granted, if some fucking fratdude rapes a college girl, she's going to be fucked up forever... but she's not going to become a rapist... she's going to become a stripper (just kidding... kind of). Her development as a human being was more or less complete. If you throw a kid that far off the rails though, they maybe don't make it back all the way.

This is pretty much my thoughts on this as well.

Not really. I meant what i said.

Well sonofabitch. I've been off the mark this entire page lol. The "or something" threw me off I guess lol.

[Acturus]

For the record, the sky is blue to match my eyes.

My mommy said so.

[Day]

It's no biggie. I'm more curious as to precisely why it is that people feel child molestation is worse than adult molestation. As far as I'm concerned, they're both equally heinous crimes.

The problem with using defense reasoning is that it shifts a portion of the blame for the crime on the adult victim for being unable to defend themselves. It's why crimes like male rape are under reported and rarely prosecuted.

I could understand where people are coming from if they were to bring up the lasting damage done to a child's psyche, but I don't believe that the damage is noticeably less catastrophic in adult victims. In the past I dated a woman who was actually raped while we were together (not while I was physically there, of course), so I got front row seats for how badly her life got fucked up by it. The biggest difference in my view is that adults are expected to get over these sorts of things faster when they really can't. No matter how old you are when it happens, it fucks you over pretty bad.

I find it hard to believe that after 2-3 pages you'd still actually be interested in dissecting my opinions any further, but since you seem genuinely curious...

First off, obviously, so obviously, any molestation is horrible, and no one here is trying to make a case for a "better molestation", what an asinine and obtuse statement to make.

It is in my mind, on a moral/ethical level, much more wrong to harm someone that is basically defenseless, than someone who has a chance of putting up a fight. This is not about placing some kind of blame on those that are capable of defending themselves, in fact that's a pretty ridiculous conclusion to somehow get to. This is about who the act in question is targeting... I think that the elderly, children, and mentally/physically handicapped are very vulnerable targets and should be treated as such. Someone who goes after vulnerable targets, in my book, is just a shittier person, from an already shitty category of shitty people.

Also as stated, a child has not fully mentally developed yet... I'm not going to go out and find a bunch of articles and shit that won't be read, but I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that a traumatic event, especially molestation, during a child's development is not going to have larger impact on their life, (which also is going to be many more years), than someone middle aged. Again, not saying an adult getting molested is sunshine and rainbows, clearly that is not the case.

I can kind of understand what you guys are saying, that on a criminal level, the acts are the same, however I still think we need to take in account who the victims are. Maybe the courts don't work or see it that way and that's cool, but if you molest someone you are sick fucker, if you molest a child or another defenseless human, you are an even shittier sick fucker, IN MY BOOK.

Now perhaps it's all the same in your eyes, since you're a scientist and all, but that's how I feel about it. We can continue to pick apart every little thing I say and somehow make me a supporter of middle age molestation, but that ain't gonna be on me homeskillet.

[Galkaeater]

I would rather play with a paedo than a 12 year old can we just ban the kids instead.

[hey]

I would rather play with a paedo than a 12 year old can we just ban the kids instead.

12 year olds are already not allowed on xbl.

[Greatguardian]

I find it hard to believe that after 2-3 pages you'd still actually be interested in dissecting my opinions any further, but since you seem genuinely curious...

First off, obviously, so obviously, any molestation is horrible, and no one here is trying to make a case for a "better molestation", what an asinine and obtuse statement to make.

It is in my mind, on a moral/ethical level, much more wrong to harm someone that is basically defenseless, than someone who has a chance of putting up a fight. This is not about placing some kind of blame on those that are capable of defending themselves, in fact that's a pretty ridiculous conclusion to somehow get to. This is about who the act in question is targeting... I think that the elderly, children, and mentally/physically handicapped are very vulnerable targets and should be treated as such. Someone who goes after vulnerable targets, in my book, is just a shittier person, from an already shitty category of shitty people.

Also as stated, a child has not fully mentally developed yet... I'm not going to go out and find a bunch of articles and shit that won't be read, but I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that a traumatic event, especially molestation, during a child's development is not going to have larger impact on their life, (which also is going to be many more years), than someone middle aged. Again, not saying an adult getting molested is sunshine and rainbows, clearly that is not the case.

I can kind of understand what you guys are saying, that on a criminal level, the acts are the same, however I still think we need to take in account who the victims are. Maybe the courts don't work or see it that way and that's cool, but if you molest someone you are sick fucker, if you molest a child or another defenseless human, you are an even shittier sick fucker, IN MY BOOK.

Now perhaps it's all the same in your eyes, since you're a scientist and all, but that's how I feel about it. We can continue to pick apart every little thing I say and somehow make me a supporter of middle age molestation, but that ain't gonna be on me homeskillet.

Okay, now I think I understand where you're coming from. It's less about the fact that younger targets are less able to defend themselves and more that anyone sick enough to intentionally prey on those who are unable to defend themselves is especially fucked up. I can get with that.

I suppose the biggest thing, in my view, is that there's a terminal limit to how bad any particular crime can be. Anything worse is generally not worth quantifying for me. The holocaust killed more than a thousand times as many people as the Spanish Inquisition, but I still treat them both as utter travesties. Either way, I think we all agree that rapists and molesters are pretty damn fucked up.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

This law is bullshit.

[Day]

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