Ridiculous Police News (Specific events)

[hey]

Can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer in this example killed this kid with intent, with malice, and with wanton disregard for life?

I think the fact that he shot him does that.

[Nephlite]

Okay so, explain it.

Also, convince 15 other people as well that all three of those criteria were met.

[Thunder]

Depends on the state. Some, you can't carry at all unless you have a permit. Even if you did, you still cannot brandish or hold that firearm in a way that threatens another unless your life is in danger.

What about those videos of the "right to bear arms" or whatever walking around towns with an AR/rifle slung around their chest waiting for a cop to try and take it away from them?

I can't find any of the good ones I've seen a long time ago but here's one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj9wahCTz08

The police officer confronts him with his hands clasped together over his stomach. I bet the kid could grab the gun from his chest and open fire faster than the cop could unholster his gun and return fire... so it just seems like the cop is going into the situation with a disadvantage and relying on his verbal communication to get him through it all. I think that's what the people upset about cops want

Demanding you're more in control of the situation in terms of fire power, I think, gets you perceived as a thug, caveman, idiot, etc. Rather, having the communication skills to willingly go into situations disadvantaged and relying on communication skills to keep you on top of things is great for PR with the people overly upset about cops

and even though I disagree with you, Neph, I think it's real cool that you keep on posting even though it's like 20 vs 3-4 lol. I keep coming back to read. Cheers

[Melena]

Why is this such a big deal though? You are allowed to own firearms in the United States, and while "flashing" it is probably criminal depending on laws, does it necessarily make a situation/individual dangerous?

You are allowed to own firearms so long as you are not a convicted felon. This also does not give you the right to open carry. In california there is a form you must fill out, which is then reviewed by your county sheriff who has to approve/deny. I believe you are also required to partake in gun safety classes. All that, to carry an UNLOADED firearm. An officer if seeing you open carry has the right to inspect your gun to ensure it is not loaded, and you can/will be arrested if it is loaded. Rules vary by state, but I know California has some of the strictest open/carry laws in the nation. You have to prove there is a reason for you to open/carry.

[archibaldcrane]

That's not how it works hey.

And I'm not saying that he should necessarily be charged. However, I fear that police departments in general do not draw a distinction between "you were within your rights to shoot" and "shooting was the right thing to do in this circumstance" - and I see this case falling squarely in between those two stances.

[Nephlite]

What about those videos of the "right to bear arms" or whatever walking around towns with an AR/rifle slung around their chest waiting for a cop to try and take it away from them?

I can't find any of the good ones I've seen a long time ago but here's one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj9wahCTz08

The police officer confronts him with his hands clasped together over his stomach. I bet the kid could grab the gun from his chest and open fire faster than the cop could unholster his gun and return fire... so it just seems like the cop is going into the situation with a disadvantage and relying on his verbal communication to get him through it all. I think that's what the people upset about cops want

Demanding you're more in control of the situation in terms of fire power, I think, gets you perceived as a thug, caveman, idiot, etc. Rather, having the communication skills to willingly go into situations disadvantaged and relying on communication skills to keep you on top of things is great for PR with the people overly upset about cops

and even though I disagree with you, Neph, I think it's real cool that you keep on posting even though it's like 20 vs 3-4 lol. I keep coming back to read. Cheers

The difference is still whether or not the firearm is in his hand and he's brandishing it. With it being in your waistband, it adds an unknown given the nature of the call. So in reality, cops don't just cap you because you have a firearm which is obvious with open carry videos. It's about the nature of the call, the intent of the accused, and his actions at the time of the incident. If you look like you're about to shoot, you're dead.

[Melena]

What about those videos of the "right to bear arms" or whatever walking around towns with an AR/rifle slung around their chest waiting for a cop to try and take it away from them?

I can't find any of the good ones I've seen a long time ago but here's one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj9wahCTz08

The police officer confronts him with his hands clasped together over his stomach. I bet the kid could grab the gun from his chest and open fire faster than the cop could unholster his gun and return fire... so it just seems like the cop is going into the situation with a disadvantage and relying on his verbal communication to get him through it all. I think that's what the people upset about cops want

Demanding you're more in control of the situation in terms of fire power, I think, gets you perceived as a thug, caveman, idiot, etc. Rather, having the communication skills to willingly go into situations disadvantaged and relying on communication skills to keep you on top of things is great for PR with the people overly upset about cops

and even though I disagree with you, Neph, I think it's real cool that you keep on posting even though it's like 20 vs 3-4 lol. I keep coming back to read. Cheers

I wish I could remember the exact wording of the law, but there's a loophole in california where certain classifications of long rifles are allowed but not others. There was a huge controversy over it due to some people protesting for full open carry without a permit carrying rifles around a shopping mall where I live.

[noblemountain]

It's kinda funny that the rules of engagement in war are more strenuous than cops are here.

[Rhinox]

It's amazing to see the number of apologists who are saying it's OK that we should live in mortal fear of cops.

Shame we gotta walk on eggshells around the police for fear of getting clapped. This is shit you hear about 3rd world countries.

[Melena]

I don't feel people should have to live in fear of cops. I'd love to see every dirty cop locked up. But I also believe that just like everyone else, proper protocol needs to be followed for discipline. We had a situation a couple years ago where one of our deputies was arrested when he arrived for work, ex girlfriend claimed rape. Sat in jail for almost a year before the wife admitted she fabricated everything cause she was mad he dumped her and wanted to get back at him and ruin his life. Thankfully he was kept on administrative leave while on trial so he had a job to come back to and back pay, but even with the false allegations, his career is still fucked.

[NynJa]

How is telling a cop whos got their gun drawn on you under suspicion you're concealing a weapon to "fuck off" walking on eggshells?

[Rhinox]

Telling a cop to fuck off is a capital crime? Where do you live in Zimbabwe? Get the fuck out of here.

[Melena]

No, but when there is suspicion, person keeps hands concealed, tells cop to fuck off, then starts lifting his shirt as he pulls his hand out is a good way to get yourself shot.

[Rhinox]

I'd say having to politely address cops qualifies as officially walking on eggshells for people on the right side of the autism spectrum.

[NynJa]

Jesus christ lol, you guys are fucking hilarious. So you think telling two cops who have their weapons drawn on you "fuck off, nah fool" while you're making it look like you have a gun concealed on you is perfectly acceptable, wow, astounding.

And I'm the asshole.

[Nephlite]

It's kinda funny that the rules of engagement in war are more strenuous than cops are here.

Hahahaha. Okay, Mr. Sniper. Explain this to me:

In war, what's the protocol when you see someone without a cover, clean shaven, with burn marks on his person, smelling heavily of purfume or cologne walking near you, a crowd of people, or heading towards a 50-50?

ROE is dictated by your environment and who's current OIC. You forget ROE can be "Shoot to kill with extreme prejudice" at a moments notice.

It's amazing to see the number of apologists who are saying it's OK that we should live in mortal fear of cops.

Shame we gotta walk on eggshells around the police for fear of getting clapped. This is shit you hear about 3rd world countries.

If you're that afraid of cops in the US, then try going to China or Brazil where the cops will beat your ass for being white.

I'd be more afraid of the guy walking next to me since statistically, you're far more likely to be killed in a random act of violence by a non-LEO. But that's just me.

[NynJa]

Public service announcement from chris rock:

[Rhinox]

So did the cop say you guys are under suspicion for having a gun?

If not then ordinary people would probably be wise to assume the absolute worse when dealing with cops.


Gee golly witticles that seems and awful lot like walking on eggshells to me.

[Rhinox]

Hahahaha. Okay, Mr. Sniper. Explain this to me:

In war, what's the protocol when you see someone without a cover, clean shaven, with burn marks on his person, smelling heavily of purfume or cologne walking near you, a crowd of people, or heading towards a 50-50?

ROE is dictated by your environment and who's current OIC. You forget ROE can be "Shoot to kill with extreme prejudice" at a moments notice.



If you're that afraid of cops in the US, then try going to China or Brazil where the cops will beat your ass for being white.

I'd be more afraid of the guy walking next to me since statistically, you're far more likely to be killed in a random act of violence by a non-LEO. But that's just me.

Here we go.

was waiting for the "you guys think you have it bad" card.

[Melena]

I dunno, from my experience, not being a straight up fucking asshole/idiot the second someone from law enforcement pulls you over/walks up to you etc goes a long way. A Yes Sir/Ma'am No Sir/Ma'am when asking questions will be a lot more effective then fuck you.