Ridiculous Police News (Specific events)

[Nephlite]

that is a terrible phrase to use when talking about a human being losing their life

You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. It's a tragedy, and I can't imagine what the officer is going through. You just don't point a realistic looking gun at a police officer and not expect to get shot.

[Psion]

well shit, a 12 year old doing stupid things. stop the presses, we need to murder all teenagers.

Seriously, its a kid. do you expect them to have common sense when they only learned to count to 100 several years ago?

[Karbuncle]

I won't say the kid deserved to die for being a dumb kid, we were all dumb kids, and no one deserved to die at that age for one stupid mistake, but I'm not going to act like the officers dun fucked up here, cause they didn't.... He was holding a rather realistic gun, which is shown in the article, and at a distance, would be almost indistinguishable from an actual gun... the problem here is that according to the article, he was told to put his hands up, and instead reached in his waistband and grabbed the gun. You can say that he's just 12, but that doesn't make a gun any less deadly unless you want to argue semantics about accuracy.

So I mean, what would you consider the correct response to this? I'm not blind to what the kid could have been doing... I know what could be in the realm of reason. For all we know, he was grabbing the gun to throw it on the ground, and was not given a chance... maybe he panicked, I understand that these things could have been happening and going through his head... but how could the officers know that the A) Gun wasn't real and B) he was going to disarm himself?

The gun btw, looks like this

Spoiler: show

http://imgick.cleveland.com/home/cle...4e02eb25eb.jpg

If you say you could tell that wasn't real in a split second he pulled it and pointed it at you, you're full of shit.

Edit: Also, I reread the article, I don't see any mention the boy died. They said he was shot, and the article reports he was taken to a hospital in critical condition. Did he actually die or is he just not expected to live?
Edit2: Found a second article stating he had died. It really does suck... like, he didn't deserve to die for a bad kid choice. Here is that Article for anyone who missed it like I did - http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...elated_stories

I'm upset that the kid died as much as any of you... maybe a little more so... I just don't know what steps a police officer could have taken after confirming a gun was present and on the child, to where this didnt end violently. I mean, the officer gave statements and clearly did not want to kill the child, so hopefully at least on BG we can stifle "It was racism"... cause other places (Inclding the comments of the article), are already screaming shit like KKK conspiracy to murder black kids.

[Nephlite]

Yeah he died unfortunately. Update was this morning. Painful way to die, a gutshot.

[Karbuncle]

I think the problem might find its way back to the dispatcher if anything

The caller twice said the gun was "probably fake" and told dispatchers the person pulling the gun from his waistband was "probably a juvenile," according to audio released by police officials late Saturday.

The caller's doubt was never relayed to the responding officers - one in his first year on the force, and the other with at least a decade of experience, Follmer said.

Idk why this information wouldn't be relayed... or at least mentioned.

[hey]

Because what if he was wrong? Better a dead kid than risking a great police officer being shot.

[Karbuncle]

Edit: Wait, you're responding to second post not the first.

[Nephlite]

Because the information isn't relevant. How exactly does the caller know it was fake? Even with predisposed knowledge, if it looks real and you make threatening actions with it, it's treated as a real weapon. People parrot the way military does things, but even in the military, even unloaded, fake, replica, training, or simuniton weapons are all treated as real guns.

[BaneTheBrawler]

You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. It's a tragedy, and I can't imagine what the officer is going through. You just don't point a realistic looking gun at a police officer and not expect to get shot.

i get that. i meant exactly what i said, nothing more. stop being so damn defensive

[Aristio]

Because what if he was wrong? Better a dead kid than risking a great police officer being shot and/or killed.

FTFY
Officers usually have families too.

In support of the actions of the officer. Loose-loose in almost every scenario, but he made a judgment call with the facts given to him. I feel bad the kid had to die, and my sympathies goes out to the victim and the officer.

[Thunder]

Lose-lose

FTFY

loose-loose sounds like the nickname of a 80 year old hooker

[Aristio]

FTFY

loose-loose sounds like the nickname of a 80 year old hooker

Posting stoned, so making grammatical errors is bound to happen.

[jmc]

I think the problem might find its way back to the dispatcher if anything



Idk why this information wouldn't be relayed... or at least mentioned.

While it should have been mentioned, I highly doubt the outcome would have been different.

Need to treat the weapon as a real gun, no way to tell from a distance that its a replica.

[Acevalefor]

That's the same thing I was thinking. Callers can barely be taken at their word. People are very excitable and like to run their mouth when excited or scared. With that in mind, information gathered can be filtered and used but is still hearsay and needs to be checked/verified with eyes on-scene.

[Nephlite]

i get that. i meant exactly what i said, nothing more. stop being so damn defensive

Nah I got you. It's easy to trivialize life, unfortunately. I haven't learned that lesson yet that people don't always have the ability to laugh and joke over a dead body like I can, even if it is a child.

Still, I am not completely devoid of emotion, as I would likely drink myself in to oblivion and probably cry for days during my investigation phase. Once you become numb to it, it just doesn't have the same impact as your first. You still have a job to do. So you pack it up, push it in to the back of your mind, and keep going.

[Acevalefor]

Nah I got you. It's easy to trivialize life, unfortunately. I haven't learned that lesson yet that people don't always have the ability to laugh and joke over a dead body like I can, even if it is a child.

Still, I am not completely devoid of emotion, as I would likely drink myself in to oblivion and probably cry for days during my investigation phase. Once you become numb to it, it just doesn't have the same impact as your first. You still have a job to do. So you pack it up, push it in to the back of your mind, and keep going.

The same is true of firefighters and EMTs. I still remember the first dead child I saw as a volunteer firefighter at 16 years old. It never goes away. For me, I could not deal with the impact it had on me when I could not save a person. It almost broke me after I had kids. I cannot do it anymore.

You have to get well past that as a police officer and I understand that. I could never joke about a dead child though. It almost brings me to tears just reading about Evan.

[Nephlite]

The same is true of firefighters and EMTs. I still remember the first dead child I saw as a volunteer firefighter at 16 years old. It never goes away. For me, I could not deal with the impact it had on me when I could not save a person. It almost broke me after I had kids. I cannot do it anymore.

You have to get well past that as a police officer and I understand that. I could never joke about a dead child though. It almost brings me to tears just reading about Evan.

I remember my first dead kid was a father who suffocated his three month old with a pillow. Said he didn't know what to do and was afraid the child was going to wake his mother. The father was a kid himself; only about 16-17 years old. I remember how emotional the whole scene was, the silence as we processed the scene while he sat there, crying in to a little knit cap that the kids grandmother made for him. The relatives and mother got there shortly after we broke the news to them, and I remember how everyone sat there and cried, except the grandmother. She just sat there with a look on her face. She was battling depression for years due to being overstressed taking care of the family, working 80+ hours a week to support the father, a medically disabled grandfather, and the baby's mother, who's parents disowned her because she got pregnant. The child had been her hope, her light at the end of the tunnel to keep her going, knowing she needed to hold on and support her little ray of sunshine. She had filed for custody for the child a month before, and actually had it granted and was starting to support the kid on her benefits from work.

I remember as we took him to CCB for processing how angry I was at him. I wanted to hurt him, to suffocate him myself, but I didn't. I just stood there as he sat in the interview room and broke down. He didn't even get a word out in interrogation, and never said anything during the subsequent trial. They found him guilty of murder in less than an hour and he's doing life in prison. The grandmother, with nothing left to hold on to, committed suicide three days after the grandchild's death.

I look at this image every so often that someone was kind enough to make. It's a testimony to the struggle and the crazy crap we deal with, and I can equate it to our profession, as well as anyone who's in that type of capacity to respond to those things. And then, a few days later, it's business as usual. The emotion runs out, the mind buries the pain away, and we continue on.

http://imgur.com/gallery/i67Uw

[6souls]

Officers accused of beating a 14 yr old after he attempted to flee after being arrested for shoplifting

The Bucks County District Attorney's Office is investigating the alleged assault of a teen boy by police officers.

The mother of the 14-year-old boy, who was arrested for shoplifting, is accusing police of roughing him up.

The teen was arrested by Tullytown Police for retail theft at Walmart on Tuesday night, along with an adult relative.

"What he did was wrong. He was coerced by a 19-year-old. He does know better," said Sargeant.

The teen and his 19-year-old cousin Jordan Gibson were both positively identified by Wal-Mart Asset Protection.

Authorities say after the teen's arrest, and before he was loaded into a police car, he took off running along Route 13 while handcuffed.

Bucks County District Attorney David Heckler tells NBC10 that police officers yelled warnings at the teen and fearing for his safety, they fired a stun gun to subdue him. The D.A. says the Taser struck the boy in the face and with his hands cuffed, the boy had no way to brace himself against falling face-first.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...232292061.html

[Blubbartron]

If he was running away from them, how did the taser hit him in the fucking face?

Also yeah, let's taze someone who's running while handcuffed. Jesus Christ can cops get any more lazy? "I don't feel like running today, let's just zap this fucker and call it a day."

[Xno Kappa]

If a handcuffed 14 year old can outrun you, than you need to consider a new fucking profession.