Ridiculous Police News (Specific events)

[Nephlite]

I read the entire shitshow lol.

Also hint: cops aren't the only ones whose jobs are at the whim of politicians

Yeah, and look how depressed a lot of politicians and their staff are. And, they don't have to deal with the other aspect of people trying to kill them on the regular. Guess who protects them from those people? Hint: We do.

And like usual, you say "shitshow" while not even contributing to any meaningful or insightful dialogue. At least Ace attempts to.

So the tldr of all of this is : neph saying it's simpler for cops to kill then do a decent job. That they face hard choices everyday.

Your missing 2 points a. YOU PICKET THE JOB . If you can't be bothered to value everyone's life then you should not be an officer,if the cops in Boston managed to keep their shit together and not execute the bomber on sight after everything you cannot with a clear mind play off all the shooting that happen.

B.

Kinda hard to do the above when the persons already dead.


As mentioned before your mentally and justifications do not encourage trust in police officers. When actually accountability occurs people will come to trust police more but all you've shown me is that the safest thing I can do is avoid cops like the pluage more likely to die asking for police help then I am on my own.

Gonna have to get through the atrocious spelling errors and stuff here...

We PICKED a job that is about enforcing the law and helping people. But no, it is not part of our job to value anyone's life over our own. You point a gun at me, you will get shot. Simple logic here. You say it's simpler for me to kill someone? It's also simpler for you to not try to take my life.

They still shot the Boston Marathon Bomber. We don't shoot to kill, we shoot to end a threat. He was just lucky, that's all. He was still a very real threat, right up to the end. It just happened that he was unconscious when they contacted him that possibly saved his life.

The fundamental duties of a police officer include serving the community, safeguarding lives and property, protecting the innocent, keeping the peace and ensuring the rights of all to liberty, equality and justice.

Nowhere in that line does it say that I have to sacrifice my life for anyone. What about my life? Is that not important? Why is my life less important than yours?

[Abandon]

I'm still trying to figure out why cops aren't just dodging/knocking down rocks. yall niggas acting like he's randy johnson throwing 108 mph pebbles at your dome. if throwing rocks is a way to get shot, id have been dead YEARS ago. we used to PEPPER the cops from our stoops for shittalkin niggas in brooklyn

[Gokku]

Yeah, and look how depressed a lot of politicians and their staff are. And, they don't have to deal with the other aspect of people trying to kill them on the regular. Guess who protects them from those people? Hint: We do.

And like usual, you say "shitshow" while not even contributing to any meaningful or insightful dialogue. At least Ace attempts to.



Gonna have to get through the atrocious spelling errors and stuff here...

We PICKED a job that is about enforcing the law and helping people. But no, it is not part of our job to value anyone's life over our own. You point a gun at me, you will get shot. Simple logic here. You say it's simpler for me to kill someone? It's also simpler for you to not try to take my life.

They still shot the Boston Marathon Bomber. We don't shoot to kill, we shoot to end a threat. He was just lucky, that's all. He was still a very real threat, right up to the end. It just happened that he was unconscious when they contacted him that possibly saved his life.



Nowhere in that line does it say that I have to sacrifice my life for anyone. What about my life? Is that not important? Why is my life less important than yours?

Try asking a firefighter if they feel that way. No one said value others lives over yours I said equally. When your ending someone life it should have repercussions, regardless.

[Nephlite]

I'm still trying to figure out why cops aren't just dodging/knocking down rocks. yall niggas acting like he's randy johnson throwing 108 mph pebbles at your dome. if throwing rocks is a way to get shot, id have been dead YEARS ago. we used to PEPPER the cops from our stoops for shittalkin niggas in brooklyn

Probably might not have very good training, or they could be a bunch of punks. In all fairness, they tried to Taser and it looks like they went hands on as well. A little bit of Googling shows the guy had previously been arrested for throwing rocks and tried to disarm an officer, so there was that portion to keep in mind as well. There was also a report from one caller the guy had a gun. Police are byproducts of their environment. You might have to be hard in Brooklyn, probably not so much in this city, depending on how bad the crime there is.

Try asking a firefighter if they feel that way. No one said value other over yours I said equally. When your ending someone life it should have repercussions, regardless.

Apples and oranges. Very few people try to attack or kill firefighters. Firefighters are still not obligated or required to sacrifice themselves. If a scene is unsafe or not safe enough, they won't do a suicide mission. If they decide to run in to a burning building to save someone, that is of their own volition. Police officers do this as well. It's not something they're obligated to do or something they HAVE to do. It's something they do, those selfless acts that they commit every day, that's them going above and beyond. If it was required or mandatory, there would be no reason to hand out awards to them.

[jmc]

When your ending someone life it should have repercussions, regardless.

It doesn't? Even justified shootings have repercussions for the officer involved. It may not be charges or discipline, but instead PTSD/depression/stress and in some cases suicide.

[Chun Liroy]

Bringing up the guys past doesn't really do anything to justify the shooting. I doubt the police had prior knowledge that this specific guy throwing rocks had previously done the same thing. Unless they were aware of it, in which case nevermind.

But for the same thing to happen twice and still have no answer for it other than killing... sounds like they could use better training.

[Gokku]

Neph no ones saying sacrifice anything I'm saying if your going to kill someone, "good shoot" Is not enough at least not at it's current standards.

So for the family's who lose loved ones to bad policy / police raids / stop and frisk etc. The officer losing sleep at night isn't helping anyone it's tragic but overall preventable. look @ rock guy, You cannot say the cops had no other options. They didn't kill him on the first volley why fire the 2nd? It's 3v1 with guns v rocks. The cops win on rate of fire alone unless he was James Bond kingsman tier Jedi rock master 1 guy is not beating 3 armed cops.

Life is not trivial taking one should be a last resort not a first.


Better yet this is exactly the kind of mentally law enforcement should have.
FBI on race relations and more.

[Nephlite]

Bringing up the guys past doesn't really do anything to justify the shooting. I doubt the police had prior knowledge that this specific guy throwing rocks had previously done the same thing. Unless they were aware of it, in which case nevermind.

But for the same thing to happen twice and still have no answer for it other than killing... sounds like they could use better training.

The past actions of a subject have everything to do with situational awareness. If they knew him, and knew he was a problem before, then it would cause them to be more careful or more forceful because of his prior actions.

This is much like the New Jersey officer who shot the guy getting out of the car. The officer knew him because he arrested him before, and knew the guy spent time in jail for shooting at officers. To find a gun in his constructive possession, it would cause me to be very fearful of what he might do.

The last instance of this particular case, they might have been able to apprehend him easily. This time may have been more hostile or more forceful on the subjects behalf, and tactics used to control him last time didn't work. If it was a clear and bloodthirsty battle on behalf of the officers, why try to subdue him with a Taser and go hands on? They obviously didn't want to kill him if that were the case.

Neph no ones saying sacrifice anything I'm saying if your going to kill someone, "good shoot" Is not enough at least not at it's current standards.

So for the family's who lose loved ones to bad policy / police raids / stop and frisk etc. The officer losing sleep at night isn't helping anyone it's tragic but overall preventable. look @ rock guy, You cannot say the cops had no other options. They didn't kill him on the first volley why fire the 2nd? It's 3v1 with guns v rocks. The cops win on rate of fire alone unless he was James Bond kingsman tier Jedi rock master 1 guy is not beating 3 armed cops.

Life is not trivial taking one should be a last resort not a first.


Better yet this is exactly the kind of mentally law enforcement should have.
FBI on race relations and more.

And this is the beauty of this particular encounter, because they already tried to control him through other means and they used lethal force as a last resort. This is going in circles. What else is there to do once you exhaust all options? What more do you want to see? They have guns, shot at him, and he still refused to go down and continued his behavior. There's no deescalation at that point, and the other tactics they used proved ineffective. So what now?

[kuronosan]

Yep. Totally okay for me to kick down your door because someone called and said you had a meth lab and we didn't need to investigate and oh if you're armed and we see a gun its also totally okay for us to shoot you because it's us or you and as cops we're more important.

That's seriously the vibe I'm getting from this thread.

If you think police aren't becoming overly aggressive and responding with unnecessary tactics, you're an idiot. And no, I don't give a shit what you go through or what you see every day. If you are starting to treat every situation like you have to escalate because of a fucking rock you somehow can't Gohan, you need to quit being a cop.

[Boyiee]

Try asking a firefighter if they feel that way. No one said value others lives over yours I said equally. When your ending someone life it should have repercussions, regardless.

Yeah we don't value anyone else's lives over our own either. We do a risk vs. reward size up. If we can make a save, we try to make it, if we cant, we back out. We don't go on suicide missions, we have a family to get home to and provide for.

Police Fire and EMS are taught something very simple from day one.

I'm number 1, my partner and crew are number 2, everyone else comes after that.

[Rhinox]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...214-story.html


Wonder what race the arrested shooter was.

The fact that he isn't dead probably means he's white

[Rhinox]

Guy was lucky he wasn't throwing rocks or else rip

[Abandon]

If you are starting to treat every situation like you have to escalate because of a fucking rock you somehow can't Gohan, you need to quit being a cop.

funny because i was watching that clip last night

[Nephlite]

funny because i was watching that clip last night

Honestly, if everyone thinks that's how tings work, then we're doomed as a society. I wonder if people also think the police go SSJ and that they're invincible warriors of justice.

Here's a reality: humans are fragile creatures. We die so easily, it's a miracle more of us aren't killed on a daily basis. To anyone who thinks they're brave and strong enough to be able to hands on every situation and handle it with 100% efficiency and without injuring someone: you're insane. You know what the worst feeling in the world is? Knowing that you're going to lose. No matter how strong, or how well trained you are, there will always be someone stronger and better trained than you. If you haven't learned that truth by now, then become a police officer, and see just how human you really are.

[kuronosan]

It's a rock. If multiple cops can't dodge a crazy person throwing a rock and take him down, don't be a cop. No, it's not easy for me to say because I'm well aware of the damage rocks can do when people don't dodge them.

I'm also well aware that responding to "perceived lethal force" with lethal force is the very problem. Under the definition of lethal rock, it's a very slippery slope to "oh that could be lethal better shoot".

A bucket of water could be lethal if you dunk someone's head in and try to drown them.

There is a huge ethical issue with the Israeli school of thought of "hey they fired a rocket in our direction and no one died but it could have been lethal so let's bomb everything and blow up their children".

But by all means, keep reporting posts. Your respect dwindles with each passing day.

[Nephlite]

And again, they tried to do everything they could to take him in without resorting to Deadly Force, until he escalated and tried to hit the officers with those rocks. What more needs to be said? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You feel compelled to continue to throw rocks at innocent people and the police, you will get shot.

Additionally, I have reported no one. You're doing it to yourself dude. I've done nothing to you, nor the other guys who felt it necessary to insult my intelligence.

[Ksandra]

I mean, fucking Bush could dodge a shoe.

They really need to rework how they hire/keep cops and how they are trained, because this is all sorts of head to the wall.

[Zeb]

They didn't try time. Wait for him to run out of rocks.

[Hatedregret]

I truly am disgusted by your responses Neph. I want to believe you're a minority voice, but I know it's not the case.

[Nephlite]

If you guys think it's so easy, go out and try it instead of judging from behind a keyboard. It's a lot harder than you think. Don't want to try it? Well, you can always go on a ride-along or go through a citizens academy to test yourself. I guarantee if you did that, you'd walk out of there with a new perspective and realize just how weak you are.