Ridiculous Police News (Specific events)

[Spicyryan]

People are eroding their own right to free speech and it is really sad.

Even the ignorant and misguided shouldn't fear repercussions in the manner they are being delivered.
It doesn't matter how racist a teacher is. They will be fired for their racism in the classroom and not on the fucking internet where they shouldn't be persecuted. Basically, while they are saying things that are wrong we shouldn't be condoning persecution of these people in a free society.

I mean when did we start wanting to make our truck drivers lepers if they are stupid? Do we feel the intolerance on the goods when we get delivered ffs?
It's dangerous for a society to go in the direction we are with our sensitivity driving policy.
Where everyone's a winner and everyone can say anything they like as long as its nice.

[chazzyphizzle]

what a dangerous world we would live in if everybody said non-bigoted things

[Blubbartron]

Sorry Kuro, but you used some really shitty examples. The people that are getting fired are not getting fired for their actions on the job. They're getting fired for the opinions they hold. That's bullshit, in almost all professions. There are some professions where I'd agree that the opinions they hold pose too great a risk to their potential actions at work, but they're few and far between. Mostly stuff like cops. When you hold power of life and death over others, I don't want you thinking some of them don't even qualify as human beings.

[Spicyryan]

what a dangerous world we would live in if everybody said non-bigoted things

Its not like its okay or right to be a biggot, but it's not okay to cleanse the world of intolerance with zero tolerance towards others as if we live in some harmonious society.
Where we say basically if you think these things, speak freely, and people find out. Then you are no longer allowed to have a job. As if it matters what a bus driver, construction worker, or physicist thinks about the topics of immigrants, LGBT, etc. How dare they actually speak their mind.
As if they felt they had freedom from persecution or something. I mean pft, how ridiculous right?

[chazzyphizzle]

ahh yes the old being intolerant of other people's intolerance gem

[kuronosan]

So basically the lines are only drawn if they have direct physical influence over you.

Never mind generations of perpetual bigotry that influences entire civilizations.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Everyone should have the right to express themselves as they will, but it does not grant you FREEDOM from consequence.

[Blubbartron]

So basically the lines are only drawn if they have direct physical influence over you.

Never mind generations of perpetual bigotry that influences entire civilizations.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Everyone should have the right to express themselves as they will, but it does not grant you FREEDOM from consequence.

The problem is that in almost all cases people should be judged based on how they perform their duties in their job instead of the things they say. That should be obvious, in terms of being fair to people. Actions are more important than opinions. Opinions may give you reason to suspect that their actions are shady, but you shouldn't go firing people willy nilly without just cause (and yes I know at will employment is bullshit). If the loan manager at the bank was denying black people for loans when their credit score/income/debt situation was the same as white people they granted loans for, then yes, fire that bitch. If she's just going by the numbers, then no, even if she's the most racist, hateful person in private, she doesn't deserve to lose her job that she's performing fairly.

[archibaldcrane]

If a company knows an employee is racist and keeps them on, it further exposes them to liability if that employee later does racist stuff.

What are we arguing here? That companies shouldn't fire racist or sexist employees, or that no one should tell a company if they discover one of their employees is racist/sexist?

[Gokku]

Ninja is saying that it doesn't matter how many Jews you gas just that you did it correctly and without your undying hate from them affecting your qouta.

[Blubbartron]

If a company knows an employee is racist and keeps them on, it further exposes them to liability if that employee later does racist stuff.

What are we arguing here? That companies shouldn't fire racist or sexist employees, or that no one should tell a company if they discover one of their employees is racist/sexist?

While I agree that, from a practical perspective, due to the current litigious nature of our society they pretty much have to fire them. I was mostly speaking from an idealistic perspective about whether it's right or wrong to deprive someone of their livelihood even if they perform the duties of the job fairly.

[Hatedregret]

Unless a teacher is trying to push racism onto other students or treats a student of color differently, they shouldn't get punished for their opinions or beliefs. It's pretty damn simple. You should not be treated differently for your views as long as you don't push those views onto others. We will never, Seriously, never stop racism, sexism, etc and I'm so damn tired of seeing free speech go away. Seeing every single person get butthurt over the simple shit in life. Talking bout internet bullying and shit.... unless they have your picture up and talk about you specifically, turn off the fucking monitor and walk away. No more butthurt.

[NynJa]

Ninja is saying that it doesn't matter how many Jews you gas just that you did it correctly and without your undying hate from them affecting your qouta.

what? lol

[notorious bum]

People concerned about livelihoods and jobs being lost due to overt racism.... that's funny. Capitalism couldn't even survive without slavery/racism. Maybe this is really about protecting the status quo? Even if you don't agree with the racists, they have a right to privilege as much as anyone else?

If you're truly that comfortable being racist in public, that arrogant, and that oblivious to how the world works in 2015, then yes, I can't say I would be too sympathetic about your house of sticks falling down. You'll either learn to keep your hate vomit more concealed or you'll learn to rub shoulders with brown folks doing day labor to claw your ass out of homelessness. Although, I seriously doubt any of these bigots will even come close to true homelessness anyways, rednecks have the biggest supporters.

[Thunder]

Thing is with this sort of social revolt-y stuff it's tough to say (for me, anyway) whether or not it's actually impeding free speech or if it's just the natural order of social education. But I do side with the free speech side of things, I think

... one person gets up and says, "You know what, this Holocaust? I'm not sure it even happened. In fact, I'm pretty certain it didn't. Indeed I begin to wonder if the only thing is that the Jews brought a little bit of violence on themselves". That person doesn't just have a right to speak, that person's right to speak must be given extra protection because what he has to say must have taken him some effort to come up with.

Might be, might contain, a grain of historical truth. Might in any case give people to think about why do they know what they already think that they know? How do I know that I know this, except that I've always been taught this and never heard anything else? It's always worth establishing, first a principle, saying "What would you do if you met a flat Earth society member?" "Come to think of it, how can I prove the Earth is round?" "Am I sure about the theory of evolution? I know it's supposed to be true. Here's someone who says no such thing, it's all intelligent design". "How sure am I in my own views?" Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus and the feeling that whatever you think you're bound to be okay because you're in the safely moral majority.

I mean, at the end of the day we're talking about things like "I supported that cop who did the barrel rolls, took out his gun, and wrestled a young girl down to the ground" right? Even if we get more 'crazy' with "maybe segregated communities would look nicer than this pool party did!" Ya, she lost her job for saying that and idgf about it because it's (very majorly) a business decision, not a moral/philosophical one. But I'm not ok with anyone wanting crazy opinions to be ignored, kept quiet, jailed, or gotten rid of

People concerned about livelihoods and jobs being lost due to overt racism.... that's funny. Capitalism couldn't even survive without slavey/racism. Maybe this is really about protecting the status quo? Even if you don't agree with the racists, they have a right to privilege as much as anyone else?

If you're truly that comfortable being racist in public, that arrogant, and that oblivious to how the world works in 2015, then yes, I can't say I would be too sympathetic about your house of sticks falling down. You'll either learn to keep your hate vomit more concealed or you'll learn to rub shoulders with brown folks doing day labor to claw your ass out of homelessness. Although, I seriously doubt any of these bigots will even come close to true homelessness anyways, rednecks have the biggest supporters.

What do you mean by the bolded?

[notorious bum]

Just my own poor man's take on figuring out the psychology going on here. People can witness a lot of terrible behavior in the workplace and not act out against it (in a meaningful way) because they would feel guilty for causing them grief, even though that is essentially what the perpetrators take pleasure in.

[kuronosan]

The problem is that in almost all cases people should be judged based on how they perform their duties in their job instead of the things they say. That should be obvious, in terms of being fair to people. Actions are more important than opinions. Opinions may give you reason to suspect that their actions are shady, but you shouldn't go firing people willy nilly without just cause (and yes I know at will employment is bullshit). If the loan manager at the bank was denying black people for loans when their credit score/income/debt situation was the same as white people they granted loans for, then yes, fire that bitch. If she's just going by the numbers, then no, even if she's the most racist, hateful person in private, she doesn't deserve to lose her job that she's performing fairly.

Yet you and I are basically saying the same thing.

[NynJa]

Yet you and I are basically saying the same thing.

Except you said

You see, there's this wonderful thing called responsibility. If you don't want to lose your livelihood, don't do stupid shit. If you want to be a teacher, teach the material. Don't teach hate. You want to hate people? Do it on your own time. The state doesn't pay you to be a racist bitch while representing your community.

And most of these people who were fired from their jobs for "unprofessional conduct" were fired for commented and actions taken ON THEIR OWN TIME.

The lady live at the scene in texas: clearly not at work
The lady who made the comments on facebook: may, or may not, have been on the clock, but the comments were not done as a representative of that company.

http://racistsgettingfired.tumblr.com/
How many of these people actually got canned (or SJW's are spending countless man-hours to get them canned) for comments they made "on their own time"?

[Spicyryan]

Capitalism can't survive without slavery and racism? Well its only slavery if you declare the empoverished to be slaves, and well the racism part makes no sense to me. It doesn't do anything for the economy, its just racism.

[archibaldcrane]

The problem is that in almost all cases people should be judged based on how they perform their duties

*unless they are women, in which case they will automatically cause problems and cry

[kuronosan]

That is why I said basically, Nyn. Try and keep up.