Ridiculous Police News (Specific events)

[Dimmauk]

Who am I kidding? That fat cop ain't sneaking up on anyone.

[jmc]

Let's say the taser has no effect on the guy, then you have a dead cop.

What about if the department doesn't even carry tasers? My department for example doesn't carry them. Our force options are OC spray, asp (baton), hands and duty firearms.

[Dimmauk]

What would the battle plan be if this person noticed the officer coming up behind him? If he started firing rounds, the officers wouldn't be able to shoot back at him due to cross fire.

What happens if he gets knocked out of the chair, but still has the gun in his hands? Still fully able to fire while on the ground as well.

Yeah, what if the wheel chair had hidden machine guns?

[Dimmauk]

Let's say the taser has no effect on the guy, then you have a dead cop.

What about if the department doesn't even carry tasers? My department for example doesn't carry them. Our force options are OC spray, asp (baton), hands and duty firearms.

Do you personally think you could have creeped up from behind and blasted that skinny handicapped man from behind with your baton and he would still be alive?

I saw the video a couple times, and didn't see a weapon in his hands. All I saw/heard was one shot in the beginning and a bloody guy that couldn't raise his hands, then about 8-9 shots and handicapped black dead.

[Tyrath]

Can someone honestly say the first officer didn't escalate the situation by saying hands up and IMMEDIATELY firing a shot?

[jmc]

Do you personally think you could have creeped up from behind and blasted that skinny handicapped man from behind with your baton and he would still be alive?

Nope, and I would never attempt it with a firearm involved.

A knife? Yea, I'd try it depending on the situation.

A firearm being involved is going to be meet with a firearm 100% of the time. I'm not saying I'll use said firearm, but there is no way I'm going hands on with someone armed with a gun.

[jmc]

Can someone honestly say the first officer didn't escalate the situation by saying hands up and IMMEDIATELY firing a shot?

That's the true problem right here.

There should have been a attempt to verbally get him to disarm first.

[Tyrath]

It's the only part of the whole thing I have an issue with. The guy did appear to be reaching into his pockets when he got shot up so can't fault the cops on that.

[Salodin]

It's the only part of the whole thing I have an issue with. The guy did appear to be reaching into his pockets when he got shot up so can't fault the cops on that.

But that is exactly why the cops opened fire. So...what is the issue? Two wrongs don't make a right; if the guy could attempt to lift himself out of the chair or reach into his pockets, he can also put his hands up and comply with the orders given.

Fat cop didn't fire that first round either afaik, that first shot came from wheelchair dude. If the cop fired, he wouldn't have stopped at one. All this said, I do wish more of an attempt would be made to deescalate situations, but in this case a gun was already fired so I can't really blame them for that.

[Melena]

Do you personally think you could have creeped up from behind and blasted that skinny handicapped man from behind with your baton and he would still be alive?

I saw the video a couple times, and didn't see a weapon in his hands. All I saw/heard was one shot in the beginning and a bloody guy that couldn't raise his hands, then about 8-9 shots and handicapped black dead.

Just to comment on the baton part, probably not. Assuming all police batons are created equal, being he was sitting in a wheel chair, he would have gotten cracked in the back of the head and chances are if he lived, he'd be a vegetable.

[Tyrath]

But that is exactly why the cops opened fire. So...what is the issue? Two wrongs don't make a right; if the guy could attempt to lift himself out of the chair or reach into his pockets, he can also put his hands up and comply with the orders given.

Fat cop didn't fire that first round either afaik, that first shot came from wheelchair dude. If the cop fired, he wouldn't have stopped at one. All this said, I do wish more of an attempt would be made to deescalate situations, but in this case a gun was already fired so I can't really blame them for that.

The guy doesn't have a visible gun in the video so I don't see how he would have fired a shot.

[Salodin]

Didn't some one above you say they found the gun next to the wheel chair? And you know the cop didn't fire because cops don't fire one shot, they shoot to kill not to maim.

[Tyrath]

Which is exactly why a warning shot would be problematic and not part of protocol. Thus he would be in the wrong to do so. Please stop acting like police can't do something wrong.

[Dimmauk]

Didn't some one above you say they found the gun next to the wheel chair? And you know the cop didn't fire because cops don't fire one shot, they shoot to kill not to maim.

Yeah, and cops never accidentally discharge their weapons.

[Salodin]

Which is exactly why a warning shot would be problematic and not part of protocol. Thus he would be in the wrong to do so. Please stop acting like police can't do something wrong.

Please stop acting like you saw the cop fire a "warning shot". You didn't see Jack shit just like I didn't, but I did read a comment above yours that said they found the cripples weapon, and I know from all these ridiculous cop stories that when a cop fires his weapon he doesn't stop at one.

We can argue what ifs all day, but you're the one operating on assumptions you have no right to be making. I'll wait until reports come out detailing where the shot first came from, along with more info on the weapon found.

[Tyrath]

The question at hand is whether or not the cop did anything wrong. Your argument for him not doing anything wrong is that cops are trained to not do anything wrong therefore he can't have done anything wrong. See the circular logic?

[Tyrath]

Also watching the video again, it looks like the first cop pumps a bullet into the gun after the first shot. If he wasn't the one who had shot, do you really think the cop would have continued to approach him the way he does?

[Salodin]

No, he wouldn't. But I don't want to make that assumption with out knowing all the facts. See how that works? It's one thing to make educated guesses based on what's supposed to happen, what protocol actually is, it's another to hear a shot off screen and assume it's another shitty cop doing shitty things.

[Tyrath]

It's not an assumption when you see the cop pumping his shotgun after the shot fired lol. It's an educated guess because we have evidence that points to it.

[Salodin]

I rewatched it and yeah it does look like he fired, a warning shot at that. Pretty stupid imo, but that isn't what killed the man. Apparently the victim has a history is suicidal tendancies, but from what I can tell he either used that as an excuse for leniency or he got undocumented help. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns into a suicide by cop thing.