Ridiculous Police News (Specific events)

[notorious bum]

How does one know which murders by the hands of the police are justified when so few even make it to trial? Alleging that more police footage would change this core problem of cops operating above the law is naive, at best.

[Ksandra]

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Oh I ignored that since it was already said in my post.

You:

any civilian

Me:

The FBI tallied 461 felony suspects

[Ragnus]

http://www.courant.com/news/connecti...m_content=link

CT State Police caught on camera making up charges to bring against a protester along with falsifying a story to go along with it.

[archibaldcrane]

How does one know which murders by the hands of the police are justified when so few even make it to trial? Alleging that more police footage would change this core problem of cops operating above the law is naive, at best.

Isn't evidence showing that cops with bodycams are significantly less likely to have excessive force complaints lodged against them?

[archibaldcrane]

But Rialto's randomised controlled studyhas seized attention because it offers scientific – and encouraging – findings: after cameras were introduced in February 2012, public complaints against officers plunged 88% compared with the previous 12 months. Officers' use of force fell by 60%.

"When you know you're being watched you behave a little better. That's just human nature," said Farrar. "As an officer you act a bit more professional, follow the rules a bit better."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...plaints-rialto

[Melena]

Oh I ignored that since it was already said in my post.

You:



Me:

I specifically asked how many were armed versus not. Jesus did you get replaced by Ted Cruz or something?

[Charismatic]

Isn't evidence showing that cops with bodycams are significantly less likely to have excessive force complaints lodged against them?

But wouldn't you also be less likely to do stupid shit if you know you have a camera on you recording what you're doing..?

[Dantrag]

But wouldn't you also be less likely to do stupid shit if you know you have a camera on you recording what you're doing..?

Not if you live in Chicago

OOPS MY CAMERA WAS DESTROYED ALONG WITH THE VIDEO.... POOR ME!

[archibaldcrane]

But wouldn't you also be less likely to do stupid shit if you know you have a camera on you recording what you're doing..?

Of course, which is why bodycams are a great idea.

[Fiye]

Not if you live in Chicago

OOPS MY CAMERA WAS DESTROYED ALONG WITH THE VIDEO.... POOR ME!

You forgot the part where you sue the estate of the person you just shot for emotional trauma.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

This is the future you chose.

[Ksandra]

I specifically asked how many were armed versus not. Jesus did you get replaced by Ted Cruz or something?

Does armed automatically result in ok to kill to you?

No I do not know how many were armed, but I also think it's pretty irrelevant.

You are fundamentally missing the point. I did not post the statistic to say that definitely X people were unjustly killed. I post it to show trends. You posted under the assumption that the amount of police related deaths have always been the same. I am saying the trend suggests probably not. In order for the statistics to work for you, you'd have to believe that with crime high (for two decades), police were extremely corrupt when it came to reporting kills to the point they were killing more percentage-wise than today with a very low crime rate, but an extremely high rate of police death.

Personally, I think the trend shows more and more cops using the gun as their first option.

And to be clear, I think "justified" means they had no other option in apprehending the person without resulting in their own death or that of a civilian.

[notorious bum]

Personally, I think the trend shows more and more cops using the gun as their first option.

Bingo.

[Melena]

Does armed automatically result in ok to kill to you?

No I do not know how many were armed, but I also think it's pretty irrelevant.

You are fundamentally missing the point. I did not post the statistic to say that definitely X people were unjustly killed. I post it to show trends. You posted under the assumption that the amount of police related deaths have always been the same. I am saying the trend suggests probably not. In order for the statistics to work for you, you'd have to believe that with crime high (for two decades), police were extremely corrupt when it came to reporting kills to the point they were killing more percentage-wise than today with a very low crime rate, but an extremely high rate of police death.

Personally, I think the trend shows more and more cops using the gun as their first option.

And to be clear, I think "justified" means they had no other option in apprehending the person without resulting in their own death or that of a civilian.

And that's where we are going to disagree on. If a suspect is armed, I'm going to 100% support the officer so they can go home, so yes me asking if the stats showed if how many of those killings the suspect is armed is relevant. You are never going to baton an armed suspect and not all agencies have tasers so in those cases, even having a knife is going to get met by being shot.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

Does armed automatically result in ok to kill to you?

No I do not know how many were armed, but I also think it's pretty irrelevant.

No, that part is actually pretty relevant. Full stop.

Unless it isn't:

Spoiler: show

[Churchill]

lol, perfect.

[Fiye]

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/loca...83907936-story

Don't know if this ever got posted here. But its a good listen.

[jmc]

Isn't evidence showing that cops with bodycams are significantly less likely to have excessive force complaints lodged against them?

That's a interesting situation.

Do the body cams cause a drop in use of force complaints because the officer knows they are being recorded?

Or

Do the body cams cause a drop in use of force complaints because it helps weed out the BS IAD complaints people file against officers when a situation doesn't go the way they like?

I'm thinking both and lately it seems to have gone both ways.

[archibaldcrane]

Both great outcomes. Everyone is more likely to behave better when they know the cameras are rolling.

[6souls]

http://www.startribune.com/agencies-...ngs/367453551/

MN police forces are considering releasing video footage sooner than before a case is over.