Ridiculous Police News (Specific events)

[Salodin]

But I mean...he pulled a gun on an innocent person. If the cop was going after Hitler or something he'd get a pass, but I don't think a stolen car is past that line =\

[Emphasis]

To my understanding, no one in that building had anything to do with the stolen car. The man being arrested was apparently one of the bikers who were circling the cops earlier. This is according to the article and video.

I was saying it sucks that this unfortunately turned into what it did, seeing as how the police originally had only one focus.

[dasva]

So it's not news yet might not even make the news but was just walking home and see the police have pulled over a SUV. Not sure what for but doesn't seem too major as the people who were inside aren't being cuffed and just sitting outside while cops search the vehicle for whatever. What makes it ridiculous though is there is no less than 6 cop cars parked around this vehicle to completely box it in when 1. no way it takes that many cops and 2. No reason to block up the road like that

[Ksandra]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/21/us/tas...ies/index.html

Parents driving home with their son and his fiancée. Son starts acting weird (apparently on drugs), so parents call 911 to have him taken to the hospital. Cops come handcuff him, taser him, and put pressure on his chest until he dies.

[jmc]

Whole bunch of things fucked up with this one.

My main one is, why the FUCK is he handcuffed with his hands in front of him?

*also before someone mentions the no need for handcuffs, sadly with calls like this most EMS companies will not respond until police have the male detained.

[Aksannyi]

The use of handcuffs is the least concerning thing to me about this.

[AidenCarby]

Cause giving the patients haldol and ativan then transitioning to soft restraints to a stretcher is just too damn complicated to pull off.

[Ksandra]

Yeah, I don't think the handcuffs were bad, just that if they had him cuffed, then there was no reason to go to the extreme worth the rest.

[Blubbartron]

The use of handcuffs is the least concerning thing to me about this.

It's concerning to me, though yes, much less so than the other things that went on. It's wrong to restrain someone who hasn't shown any degree of violence. We're not talking about someone high on PCP that is tearing peoples' faces off and eating them. It's a dude who is scared and confused. Any action taken by respondents that escalates the situation should be avoided.

At any rate, if someone is on drugs, the absolute last thing cops should be doing is tazing them. Depending on the drug, it can put the heart under enormous strain on its own, and adding the strain of voltage to it can cause the heart to stop really easily.

[AidenCarby]

Yeah, I don't think the handcuffs were bad, just that if they had him cuffed, then there was no reason to go to the extreme worth the rest.

The sedation in general would have saved this entire situation, the transition to soft restraints would have all 4 limbs tied to a semi-stationary object would have removed any "necessity" to restrain the patient further ie. not inducing CA lol

[jmc]

The sedation in general would have saved this entire situation, the transition to soft restraints would have all 4 limbs tied to a semi-stationary object would have removed any "necessity" to restrain the patient further ie. not inducing CA lol

My area, that would not work.

EMS would not even dispatch a ambulance until the person "going crazy" is under control as they normally put it. So sedation just wouldn't work, since law enforcement can't provide anything like that.

The handcuffs are a major pet peeve of mine, because it just started a downward trend since they were applied incorrectly. Tasers I can't really comment on as i've never personally used one.

[archibaldcrane]

Tasering anyone who is already cuffed should be illegal.

[Byrthnoth]

Unless they're real uppity, amirite?

[zoobernut]

If they cuffed him properly with his hands behind him couldn't they have just stood back at that point and let him flop around a bit while talking to him to try to calm him down? I imagine he would tire himself out eventually.

Or do we need special police officers trained specifically to handle situations like this? Kind of like how we have k9 units we need mentally unstable units. I mean realistically how often do situations like this happen in a mental institution with orderlies? I know those institutions used to be bad but aren't they very strict now on how they handle the mentally unstable?

Seems like if the orderlies can do it without tasers then the police should be able to.

[jmc]

If they cuffed him properly with his hands behind him couldn't they have just stood back at that point and let him flop around a bit while talking to him to try to calm him down? I imagine he would tire himself out eventually.

Thats what I was thinking.

Get him out of the car, sitting down properly handcuffed (just make sure he doesn't run into highway traffic) and let EMS take over.

[Boyiee]

Cause giving the patients haldol and ativan then transitioning to soft restraints to a stretcher is just too damn complicated to pull off.

The sedation in general would have saved this entire situation, the transition to soft restraints would have all 4 limbs tied to a semi-stationary object would have removed any "necessity" to restrain the patient further ie. not inducing CA lol

My area, that would not work.

EMS would not even dispatch a ambulance until the person "going crazy" is under control as they normally put it. So sedation just wouldn't work, since law enforcement can't provide anything like that.

The handcuffs are a major pet peeve of mine, because it just started a downward trend since they were applied incorrectly. Tasers I can't really comment on as i've never personally used one.

He would never receive sedation in the field in a pre hospital setting, this is almost universal at the national level. If it got to it and depending on the situation with excited delirium we would use ketamine here they are pushing that hardcore now.

[AidenCarby]

Wrong and wrong. B52 cocktail is pretty standard in pre hospital care for agitated and combative patients. It's well within a paramedics scope to medicate unruly patients in the field. This happens literally every day here.

[dasva]

wouldn't there be some kind of fear of drug interactions with whatever the dude is on?

[AidenCarby]

Typically not, the only major contraindication is giving a patient a sedative after narcan from a heroin overdose (the medic will have the patient hooked up to a lifepak at this point anyway). Haldol simply shuts off brain receptors temporarily, ativan is the actual sedative, so if you really want to walk the line you can always give the haldol alone w/o the benadryl or ativan.

Most cases where you wouldn't want to use the cocktail are with geriatric psych

[Boyiee]

Wrong and wrong. B52 cocktail is pretty standard in pre hospital care for agitated and combative patients. It's well within a paramedics scope to medicate unruly patients in the field. This happens literally every day here.

And no lol, but ok. B52 lol, haven't heard that in a while. Medics wouldn't have been within 500 feet of that guy. Jersey is special with our ketamine for sure though.