So, the spot where that guy was killed in MN, a PokeGym.
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All these blacks dying on the streets, and you're just there catching pokemon. Some how fitting for America.
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my first response upon hearing about Dallas was "huh. I'm not surprised."
I'm not saying it's the right response or that I agree - please understand I am 100% not saying that - but I'm not surprised at all. if you perceive this as a war on African-Americans - and I can see why you would if you were black - you might want to start fighting back.
I also find the use of a police robot bomb to kill the suspect exceedingly disturbing. not saying it was wrong just... disturbing as fuck.
all in all a terrible day for America, but often it takes this level of violence and dysfunction to affect real change and propel us forward. I hope that's how we use this moment.
I've been stuck on this all morning. In a world where people are legitimately and for good reason afraid of cops just executing them at-will, we now have precedence for it being okay for police to decide you should get blown the fuck up because it's safer for the police than engaging further.
I'm torn between the understanding that attempting to rush the guy would have potentially cost more lives and the reality than the police decided it was cool to just fucking explode a guy.
Dude murdered people and was wearing full armor.
I'm fine with it.
What??
As disturbing as this seems, their response is legit justified if it was the killer.
I'm not bothered by that part at all. They tried negotiating with him for hours.
Wouldn't even say it was safer for the police. I haven't read where he was holed up at, but chances are there was a chance a civilian could have been shot as well. Though how they did it was something you'd expect out of a video game or die hard. It's disturbing, but i'd have to feel it was the best decision to protect as many lives as possible.
I have zero issue with their response. Enough people died, and trial would have been great but they were left with no alternative here.
To clarify: I do get that the motherfucker deserved it, and I'm not trying to be all HOW DARE THEY or anything.
I just didn't expect to read in the news about a controlled detonation of a bomb to kill a person done on behalf of the law today. It's... Weird. Not normal? Has this ever been done in domestic law enforcement before for armed suspects? I don't mind that it was done in this situation, but I wonder about future ones.
It's not like you necessarily explode into blood, guts, and body parts or something. He probably died instantly and may not even have any serious external injuries from it.
They've killed people in much more gruesome ways.
I'll take your word for it, my only experience with explosions is from video games or action flicks.
Again, I'm not outraged or anything, just genuinely shocked and unsure how to articulate that sentiment better.
Guess the suspect is a army veteran, wonder how long it will take to blame PTSD
http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/Christopher_DornerA standoff ensued, and police tried to coerce Dorner out of the cabin by using ordinary "cold" tear-gas, but when he failed to respond, a demolition vehicle was used to knock down most of the cabin's walls in an attempt to force him out. When that failed as well, Deputies fired incendiary tear-gas grenades (the same type that was used during the Waco siege to kill 76 members of the Branch Davidians at a Texas compound) into the remains of the cabin, setting it on fire. As the cabin burned, a single gunshot was heard. Later that day, a body was recovered from the cabin and confirmed to belong to Dorner; the cause of death was revealed to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.
@gruesome:
One of the more recent events I can think of off hand.
I honestly know of no uses of explosives to kill a criminal in the bay area. Dad did 33 years and retired as a Lieutenant and I did 5 years as a civilian. The closest was a deputy 30+ years ago his last night on the job as he was going back into the army set off a cannon that was on display at the jail, but all that did was create some radio chatter and a huge mess for the deputies to clean up.
People just shocked because the image of LEOs resorting to a jihad robot is especially intense, albeit merited here.
I'm going to hug some people today.
Maybe it's just me but I don't see much difference in cops using a bomb robot to blow up a criminal actively trying to kill them versus the US government flying drones over the Middle East blowing up terrorists in the desert.
Well one is on the ground and the other flies.