Ridiculous Police News (Specific events)

[Niiro]

http://www.twincities.com/2017/01/18...nty-squad-car/

a department-issued AR-15 rifle with a loaded magazine that had been pried from its secured locked rifle mount

Er, mount? Like meant for easy access in the cab?

I always assumed stuff like rifles were in a lockbox in the trunk for the rare occasion they're necessary.

[Ragnus]

Nope, the couple times that I've seen ARs in police cars, they're mounted between the passenger and driver seats next to a shotgun.

[Tokitoki]

Er, mount? Like meant for easy access in the cab?

I always assumed stuff like rifles were in a lockbox in the trunk for the rare occasion they're necessary.

I've seen them in between passenger and driver seats in NYC.

[Melena]

Are there police regulations for keeping firearms in unattended vehicles?

At least here the requirement is they are to be mounted/secured in their rack when not in use.

[Niiro]

Seems a bit excessive.

I'd question how often they actually find themselves needing that kind of firepower at short notice.

[Salodin]

It's excessive but not because of them. They probably got it for free and if they didn't take it then some other department would have. These are probably left over from some bulk buy somewhere made with Federal money.

[Roranora]

It's true the excess lies in military equipment manufacture and the 1033 program.

While the most commonly requested items including clothing, sand bags, medical supplies, sleeping bags, flashlights etc. all sound great, it's harder to explain why Wichita needs an MRAP.

[Melena]

Seems a bit excessive.

I'd question how often they actually find themselves needing that kind of firepower at short notice.

If you train to be certified to use an AR-15 while on patrol, then you take that. If you are not certified, you just have your standard long rifle that you are trained with in the academy.

[djzombie]

What is the standard long rifle? M24? Does it differ state to state? Department to department?

[Ghost_Wheel22]

My uneducated guess is police use M4s and mid length AR15s as their general issue longarms and only issue M24 or the like for SWAT. Vast majority of applied lethal force is within 20 yards meaning pistols. AR15s are just fine for up to 100 yards which is generally uncommon since that would imply standoffs at a distance. M24 is generally chambered in 7.62 x Real Fuckin' NATO so that'd be more of a tool for long range precision in cases of hostages which in turn would be a SWAT or other skill elevated response team.

Mileage would vary depending on region and department budget/policy too. I know in my local area only the swat team trains with a M24 with the monthly qual being a 5 round 1/4 MOA grouping at 100 yards and 1/2 MOA at 200 yards from a cold barrel. I like to dazzle them with my slightly-suped up Savage 10 putting easy 3" groupings at 500 yards whenever I happen to catch them at the range.

[Melena]

Seems a bit excessive.

I'd question how often they actually find themselves needing that kind of firepower at short notice.

You can blame the start of it when there was a major bank robbery in LA where the criminals had fully automatic weapons, and LAPD was pinned down waiting for SWAT as they only had access to their hand guns and a few long rifles. In the event of an emergency, it takes approximately 45-90 minutes for SWAT to be mobilized, geared up, and brought into the scene of a major incident. In those scenarios, having access to random officers/deputies who have been trained and certified in the use of AR-15's can be faster then waiting on SWAT, and help prevent loss of officer or civilian life in the case of a shoot out. I would say 2-4 times a month in the region I'm in, having a few officers with AR-15's works out better then calling in SWAT and waiting.

What is the standard long rifle? M24? Does it differ state to state? Department to department?

I don't remember the exact model they use for long rifles where I worked at, but to be honest, they are shit. They only hold a few rounds and slow to load. 99.9% of the time, their standard side arm (Glock .22 I believe is what they use, though some have gotten permission to carry a sig saur) is going to work out better.

If you wish to have access to an AR-15, Taser, or any less than lethal weaponry, you have to get yourself certified for it, and re-certified every 12 months within our agency. One day I was waiting in the muster room as I needed an escort to the evidence room (why the fuck they installed a network switch in the evidence room of the jail I'll never know) and it was the height of occupy protests, and the Sergeant was asking who was certified in less than lethal in case it was needed. Out of about 40 deputies, 2 raised their hands. So it's not like everyone has them.

[6souls]

http://www.startribune.com/man-says-...-in/411113705/

Wisconsin sheriff detains man after he shook his head at him. Man said he shook his head at the sheriff because the gut was wearing Cowboy's memorabilia just before the Packers game. Sheriff said he detained the to avoid an assault.

[archibaldcrane]

Sheriff Clarke being a Cowboys fan was unexpected

but i really should've expected it

because he's the worst

[Ghost_Wheel22]

Glock .22 I believe is what they use

Glock 22, which is chambered in .40 S&W and the full size model.

I don't remember the exact model they use for long rifles where I worked at, but to be honest, they are shit. They only hold a few rounds and slow to load.

Ok nogunz, that's enough opinion.

[Melena]

Glock 22, which is chambered in .40 S&W and the full size model.



Ok nogunz, that's enough opinion.

And why should I not state from personal experience working as a civilian in law enforcement? Shit I have to sign off on the same MoU's as sworn, everything from proper conceal when off duty, to properly take down a suspect or inmate, or when to use a use of force form.

I'm pretty sure also I have a bit more of a working knowledge of what the agency I worked for uses, being that I have personally shot every weapon that's not less than lethal we use, including the AR 15, and the standard sniper rifle swat uses. The vast majority of the deputies I work with outright hate the long rifles and will only use them as a last resort.

Plus I'm one of the few pro gun people on this board, I don't think you want to silence what little support you have

[Ghost_Wheel22]

That's cool but seeing things like "Glock .22" and "I don't really know what it is but it has a small fixed magazine so it sucks" runs counter to your position of working knowledge. I'm only critical here because bad or vague information doesn't help.

Be vocal about being pro guns. Or don't. This board will forever hate firearms regardless of what you, me, or the other small handful may say.

[Gokku]

That's cool but seeing things like "Glock .22" and "I don't really know what it is but it has a small fixed magazine so it sucks" runs counter to your position of working knowledge. I'm only critical here because bad or vague information doesn't help.

Be vocal about being pro guns. Or don't. This board will forever hate firearms regardless of what you, me, or the other small handful may say.

you can love guns and still see the current system of ALL THE GUNS isnt working.

[Melena]

Also I should point out they haven't used smith and wesson's since they had people finally hand in their six shot revolvers. So not sure where you are getting that whole chambered in a .40 S&W.

[6souls]

UK Police fire Stun Gun to the face of their community-relations adviser after confusing him with a wanted man

In the neighbor's video, two officers are seen stopping Adunbi outside his home as he was walking his dog. They refer to a wanted man they are looking for, and ask him for his name. Adunbi refuses to give his name several times as he attempts to enter his front gate.

Like everyone in the U.K., Adunbi has the right to withhold his name when stopped by officers, according to Avon and Somerset Police guidelines.

After a break in the footage, the video shows one of the officers apparently pulling Adunbi out of the gate by the arm. Immediately after that scuffle, one of the officers uses her Taser on Adunbi.

Once on his back, Adunbi appears to toss his wallet to the ground beside them, telling the officers to look at his ID as they handcuff him.

"You are under arrest for assault," one of the officers tells him. The charges were later dropped, the BBC reports.

Chief Superintendent Jon Reilly, Bristol area commander for the Avon and Somerset police, says the force voluntarily referred the complaint about Saturday's incident to the watchdog IPCC. He said he would like to answer further questions but could not, given the ongoing investigation.

The IPCC has asked members of the Bristol community to come forward if they have any further information. The group said it has not yet spoken to the two officers involved.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...ations-adviser
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-38691162
https://www.avonandsomerset.police.u...visory-groups/
https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/ipcc-in...asered-bristol

[Ghost_Wheel22]

Also I should point out they haven't used smith and wesson's since they had people finally hand in their six shot revolvers. So not sure where you are getting that whole chambered in a .40 S&W.

The .40 S&W is a rimless pistol cartridge developed jointly by major American firearms manufacturers Smith & Wesson and Winchester. The .40 S&W was developed from the ground up as a law enforcement cartridge designed to duplicate performance of the FBI's reduced-velocity 10mm Auto cartridge which could be retrofitted into medium-frame (9mm size) semi-automatic handguns.