Ridiculous Police News (Specific events)

[Howie Roary]

uh he did neither, read the thread, he shot it

[Nephlite]

This is getting pretty outta hand.

9mm rounds are the perfect combination of penetration/stopping power along with ranged accuracy greater than 25 yards. Accuracy at a distance plays a factor as the round travels further without loosing it's kinetic energy at further targets. That's why it's more widely used in Law Enforcement. However, most agencies are opting for .40 caliber as they're finding that more than 75% of deadly force encounters happen within 10 yards. Still have that high stopping power but can still target shoot accurately outside of 25 yards, just have to overcompensate for bullet drop. Higher caliber for more stopping power at closer distances. Higher the caliber in handguns, more stopping power/less penetration. It's damage done upon impact vs. sharpshooters accuracy to hit vital targets outside of 25 yards.

Also .22 rounds are very friggin' dangerous. There's very little penetration/stopping power, but there's a very big chance the bullet will move upon impact. It spins and tears up shit as it goes in and that can be more deadly than a higher caliber round.

Rifle rounds are designed to wound, not kill. Hence you have to practice more to shoot vital targets with a rifle. Less "umph" or stopping power and all penetration. That's why you see hunters always go for a vital target rather than a flank or side and even if they do go for the butt, the round should be strong enough to go THROUGH the body to hit the vital target on the other side of the deer. I've never been hunting so that's my theory anyways just watching videos and hearing stories. Some rifle shot with hollow points or flechette rounds make it easier to hit a vital target due to the shockwave of the energy division, but the loss of penetration makes it difficult to justify using anything outside a NATO round to kill.

Anyways, back to the dog thing. Someone mentioned today at the station they read in an article the cop was suspended pending. Need to find it to see why it's not administrative leave for discharge and a disciplinary suspension...

[vagus]

This entire situation could have been handled much differently. The person walking around with his dog and freely video taping the police, he is asking for trouble. It's unfortunate the car window was open and the dog was only protecting the dog. The police could have easily disabled the dog with other means, but that requires proper training. Shooting wasn't the best option, but it was within the police's right.

I'm an animal lower, but owners need to also take responsibility for there own pets.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

Shooting for a vital means less tracking for miles waiting for it to bleed out. Shooting a deer in the ass also means you tear up the intestines and not only will it take forever to track you stand a good chance of ruining all the good meat.

Everything above .270 is very much designed to kill, not wound. 5.56, 7.62x39, etc is more complicated but basically used to "neutralize" people with soft tissue cavitation and less immediate lethality (CM/H shot placement aside).

I have heard some LEO departments choosing 10mm as it also kinda fills that niche between 9mm and .45 ACP. Feels like a snappier 9mm but easy follow through compared to .40 S&W imo

[Quazimoto]

if this happened..then we can shit the thread up

[BerenTebogo]

I realize I'm horribly late to this party but it still needs to be said:

Fucking momentum, how does it work?!

[Psion]

Stop shitting up the thread Plow.

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[Suvhater]

http://ia601809.us.archive.org/11/it....95379.1.0.pdf

Cops in North Las Vegas/ Henderson, Nevada order an innocent man out of his home, so that the home might be used as a lookout point for a tactical advantage against a neighbor. Man refuses to allow police to occupy his home or enter without a warrant, is arrested for obstruction. Lawsuit against anyone and everyone for violations of his 3rd, 4th, and 14th amendment rights.

[Outlaw]

Accent of the cop sounds like Alabama or Mississippi?

[Anoat]

A simple "Yes sir I am fine tonight, no sir I have not been drinking, here is my driver's license, thank you and goodnight" and this video would have been over in 30 seconds or less. Assuming of course he was sober and not carrying anything illegal.

[Rhinox]

No shit..


The guy was making a point about police checkpoints.

[archibaldcrane]

Would've been better if he showed himself blowing over .08 right afterwards.

[Tyche]

My favorite part of that is when one cop looks at the other and says "he's knows he's innocent and he knows his rights..", and immediately following sees the camera rolling.

[archibaldcrane]

I liked where the cop admitted that it was a bullshit dog trigger.

[Restrat]

it's in Tennessee

http://www.wkrn.com/story/22770235/d...-video-youtube

[Plow]

He definitely should have been more of a dick. Should have pushed the point that the officer has to tell him if he's actually detaining him and he's going to leave if not.

Prob wouldn't have gotten the dog footage then though, and that shit is rageworthy as fuck. Would be awesome if anything ever actually came of that.

[Jaybar]

So if I'm getting this right - the officer got pissy when the guy wouldn't roll down his window all the way and instead of doing his checkpoint job (asking if he's been drinking, checking physical signs of intoxication, etc) he tries to be a bully cop?

Never knew about that dog stuff. I certainly learned a few new things about my own rights when it comes to confrontations with police officers though.

[Denchi]

Please always remember

[Plow]

Please always remember

except in the case of dui checkpoints you're pretty much fucked because rehnquist decided stopping july 4th/new years drunk driving was more important than freedom

[Nephlite]

Not saying the officers actions were right by any means but the guy filming did this just to be a dick.

A lot of videos and media about things like this basically is an assault on police officers being human. I've worked DUI checkpoints before that turned in to chases and felony drug arrests. 99% of them were initiated by precursor actions by the suspect. Not making eye contact, evasive in questioning, arguing, questioning the officer, abrasive language, all of that is indicators of someone trying to hide something and prompts investigating. It's all based on tried and true science and tactics to be a good investigator and it's these fundamentals that are being put in to question. Why are we putting police on the street? Why not just get a robot to do everything? At least then you can take away the robots sense of discretion and gut feelings.

What ever happened to the old fliers they used to pass around in school that tell you what to do when the police stop you? Keep your hands visible, speak politely and calmly, don't argue with the officer and do what they say. Nowadays a simple routine traffic stop turns in to 20 questions to throw you off and suddenly everyone's a lawyer. It doesn't seem to me like the deputies in the video were being dicks in the beginning, just asking the simple basic questions routine of a DUI checkpoint. His sudden resistance can be an indicator of someone trying to hide something or worse, trying to kill someone. If he had just did everything textbook, it would have been "Okay sir have a nice day." and gone. Fucking with people like that is just plain asinine and could very well turn bad for everyone involved.

Also I wanna see the science behind the dog sniffing thing. The dog has to follow the officers hands and commands to sniff because you can't speak to him and say "Sniff the window" and he understands that. It's a dog. When dogs get a hit on a smell, they do what they're trained to do and that depends on the training. Some dogs sit, some dogs bark, some dogs freeze in place at the exact spot they get the hit at, and some of them scratch. Scratching is more indicative of a cadaver dog though so his assessment of the dog scratching his shit up is a bit off (although I've never seen a K-9 unit put a dog on a car...) The K-9 officer said in the video "It wasn't even a good hit." which could mean that it was a faint trigger, not necessarily no hit at all. Anything could have triggered a hit. The mere contact to contact surface transfer of oils or powder residue (even if it's latent) can get a hit. He may claim he never had drugs in the car but he could have did a line or smoked up before he drove or one of his friends who got in the car could have done something similar and the oils would be present on the surface for weeks. In essence, a K-9 unit goes friggin' crazy on every scene just because there's so many different possibilities of a contact, it just doesn't know where to go. The solution? Comprehensive sweep/search of the area where there's an indicator and find it.