Ridiculous Police News (Specific events)

[Zeb]

there's a difference between "preferring" to stand and it being physically painful to sit. If the only remaining seats had thumbtacks sewn into them point-up, I bet you'd stand, too.

There's a difference between getting off the bus and going to headquarters to complain and staying on the bus because he feels it's his right to overrule the bus driver AND the police.

[Tyrath]

There's a difference between getting off the bus and going to headquarters to complain and staying on the bus because he feels it's his right to overrule the bus driver AND the police.

Yeah because theres nothing wrong with having your daily fucking routine interrupted because you're disabled and the bus operator wouldn't let you just stand. Should he have to get off the bus every time an operator doesn't understand his condition so he can go file a report?

[archibaldcrane]

I love when people take the position that it is cool for police to quite literally torture a guy until he obeys their commands.

[Nephlite]

You shouldn't have to make judgement calls like that just based on appearances. If the guy was known or they had preexisting knowledge the guy was disabled and wouldn't be able to comply, that's one thing. I agree, some tact should have been used and a bit more courtesy could have gone a bit further. The sad reality is that people who are impaired are still dangerous. I do believe training to handle those types of situations are indeed a necessary tool of being a police officer, but the number one priority is always safety (not only for the officer but the subject and bystanders). You can't always be Mr Nice Guy and go out of your way for everyone in every situation.

Even if it was a kid, say 10-15 years old, I'm not going to do a background check on them to see if they grew up in a broken home and are subject to abuse which explains the reason they're being resistive and combative. I'm going to 1. Make sure they're restrained and not a threat and 2. Do my investigation. Same thing with impaired/disabled subjects. At first glance, you might say "Somethings wrong with this guy" if there's obvious signs that they're impaired. The guy looks pretty normal to me at first glance. Now that I know some background I know he's disabled but how many people on the street do you see walking with a cane? So now we ask "Sir, are you impaired or do you have a neurological disorder that might be aggravated if I use a Taser on you?" and we get sued for violating some ADA clause and we're fucked.

But does that mean you have to treat that person different because they're impaired? Instead of a Taser or spray you have to use a spring loaded foam fist to knock them back? It's cut out but to the far right it looked like one of the other officers tried to grab him and pull him off or wristlock him. That didn't work so he escalated (Taser). I saw one article that said it was ADA discrimination because they used force on a disabled man and I gotta say, if their Use of Force policy shows a consistent use of the level of force all across the board with no deviations based on gender, race, apparent injury etc., then that's a lost cause.

Still, I'm with Jmc on this one. I'm glad we don't have Tasers. Too much legal stuff involved in their use to make me comfortable. No word yet if they've gone to trial but his motion to sue was accepted so it'll probably go hand-in-hand with the criminal proceeding.

[Zeb]

Yeah because theres nothing wrong with having your daily fucking routine interrupted because you're disabled and the bus operator wouldn't let you just stand. Should he have to get off the bus every time an operator doesn't understand his condition so he can go file a report?

Yes, and file a fucking civil suit if they can't get their heads out of their asses and fix the situation so it doesn't happen again.

I love when people take the position that it is cool for police to quite literally torture a guy until he obeys their commands.

No one said that? Obviously tasering was a bit much for the situation. It never should have gotten to the cops. But all of you seem to think disobeying the dude running the bus and causing a disruption is A-OKAY.

Much like Zimmerman/Martin, this shit snowballed and went too far because someone couldn't use some common fucking sense.

[Suvhater]

problem is solved here in LA the bus operators are only allowed to tell you what the fare is. If you dont have the money they aren't even allowed to kick you off the bus. They could call the police if there is a fight or someone being raped/stabbed on the bus.

[Meresgi]

There's a difference between getting off the bus and going to headquarters to complain

Was he gonna walk there?

[hey]

problem is solved here in LA the bus operators are only allowed to tell you what the fare is. If you dont have the money they aren't even allowed to kick you off the bus. They could call the police if there is a fight or someone being raped/stabbed on the bus.

I really can't imagine why they would ever want to do more than that. It seems like it could potentially be quite dangerous to tell people to get off the bus, for any reason.

[Melena]

I really can't imagine why they would ever want to do more than that. It seems like it could potentially be quite dangerous to tell people to get off the bus, for any reason.

If they don't tell them, then there is no record to try to ban the person from the bus. If you ride AC Transit and they tell you to get off the bus and you refuse, they just radio dispatch and continue on and at the next stop you get to deal with a friendly Sheriff Deputy.

[hey]

If they don't tell them, then there is no record to try to ban the person from the bus. If you ride AC Transit and they tell you to get off the bus and you refuse, they just radio dispatch and continue on and at the next stop you get to deal with a friendly Sheriff Deputy.

So?

I don't know about you, but i'd rather let someone ride for free than risk starting as fight with potential crazy people. Wouldn't be the first time a bus driver got shot for telling someone to get off the bus.

[Melena]

So?

I don't know about you, but i'd rather let someone ride for free than risk starting as fight with potential crazy people. Wouldn't be the first time a bus driver got shot for telling someone to get off the bus.

And then all of a sudden you got a bunch of retards who know if they act tough they can get free rides. Fuck that, if you want to act like a shit, get treated like shit. If you want to go to jail for 5-10 years for beating up a bus driver, you may want to re-evaluate your life's direction and drink some bleach.

[Krazy]

So, staying on the bus and wasting everyone else's time is reasonable, just because he prefers to stand. It's almost like he doesn't have any consideration for other people. It's almost like he doesn't care what rules are in place for the service he's using.

Pretty sure he said in the video that there were other people standing on the bus, but they weren't asked to sit down. So, why should he?

[hey]

And then all of a sudden you got a bunch of retards who know if they act tough they can get free rides. Fuck that, if you want to act like a shit, get treated like shit. If you want to go to jail for 5-10 years for beating up a bus driver, you may want to re-evaluate your life's direction and drink some bleach.

Idk, i've never seen that happen. Every bus i've ever been on has had this policy, and there was still very rarely anyone not paying. If someone didn't pay, or didn't pay enough, the driver hit a button, and that was it. And yet, somehow 99% of people paid, no problem.

If you want to risk your life for a few dollars of someone else's money, then you're a goddamn moron.

[jmc]

Possibly designated no standing zone on the front of the bus? We have them on some of the newer buses in Boston

[Melena]

Idk, i've never seen that happen. Every bus i've ever been on has had this policy, and there was still very rarely anyone not paying. If someone didn't pay, or didn't pay enough, the driver hit a button, and that was it. And yet, somehow 99% of people paid, no problem.

If you want to risk your life for a few dollars of someone else's money, then you're a goddamn moron.

Or you know, if your job is to enforce fare payments and to tell people to get off and call the police if they become a problem is too scary for you, don't take the job. That's like saying if you are a waiter to let someone walk out without paying for fear they shank you if you call the cops.

[Rhinox]

Or you know, if your job is to enforce fare payments and to tell people to get off and call the police if they become a problem is too scary for you, don't take the job. That's like saying if you are a waiter to let someone walk out without paying for fear they shank you if you call the cops.

yeah I don't know any restaurant that actively preaches waiters go chasing after dine and dashers.


with the you know liability thing.

[Melena]

yeah I don't know any restaurant that actively preaches waiters go chasing after dine and dashers.


with the you know liability thing.

Neither do bus drivers on fare dashers. Hey's whole thing is to let them ride for free and to not notify the police for fear of getting shanked. I'm sure I could have found a better analogy to use though.

[Xantavia]

I see this like an airline pilot being able to ground a flight until a passenger is removed. He is responsible for everybody he is transporting and I don't get why a bus driver should be treated differently. I know I'm cynical but feels like lately people are being douchebags for no reason other than hoping the cops will be called and they can have their 15 minutes of internet fame and maybe a payday if they find the right lawyer.

[Rhinox]

[archibaldcrane]

Wait, but so what does this discussion have to do with cops so fucking lazy they go taser-first at a disabled guy who is posing no danger to anyone again?