Ridiculous Police News (Specific events)

[Zeb]

Wait, but so what does this discussion have to do with cops so fucking lazy they go taser-first at a disabled guy who is posing no danger to anyone again?

Because the man put himself, the driver and the cops in a lose-lose position by choosing to make the bus the place where he wants to fight for his civil liberties. Instead of, you know, headquarters where someone in charge can make a decision that overrules the driver or in court, if the metro system tells him to fuck off. It seems he has no problem lawyering up, why not before he gets himself tased? He said in the video that he's been kicked off before and lost his fare. Kinda sounds like he was asking for something to go down.

I do find it funny that he's sitting down for the interview though.

[Rhinox]

Because the man put himself, the driver and the cops in a lose-lose position by choosing to make the bus the place where he wants to fight for his civil liberties. Instead of, you know, headquarters where someone in charge can make a decision that overrules the driver or in court, if the metro system tells him to fuck off. It seems he has no problem lawyering up, why not before he gets himself tased? He said in the video that he's been kicked off before and lost his fare. Kinda sounds like he was asking for something to go down.

I do find it funny that he's sitting down for the interview though.

yeah. people tend to do that when they're recovering from a broken hip caused by the cops

[hey]

Because the man put himself, the driver and the cops in a lose-lose position by choosing to make the bus the place where he wants to fight for his civil liberties. Instead of, you know, headquarters where someone in charge can make a decision that overrules the driver or in court, if the metro system tells him to fuck off. It seems he has no problem lawyering up, why not before he gets himself tased? He said in the video that he's been kicked off before and lost his fare. Kinda sounds like he was asking for something to go down.

I do find it funny that he's sitting down for the interview though.

No, it sounds like he had somewhere he needed to be, and wanted to get there.

Getting kicked off a bus seems like an easy way to ruin an entire day.

Or you know, if your job is to enforce fare payments and to tell people to get off and call the police if they become a problem is too scary for you, don't take the job.

Their job is to drive.

That's like saying if you are a waiter to let someone walk out without paying for fear they shank you if you call the cops.

In addition to what Rhinox said, there's also no real loss if someone doesn't pay a fare, unlike when someone steals food at a restaurant. Unless the bus is completely full, more people getting on doesn't cost anything at all, except in increased gas usage, which so little, it's not worth considering.

[Suvhater]

Because the man put himself, the driver and the cops in a lose-lose position by choosing to make the bus the place where he wants to fight for his civil liberties. Instead of, you know, headquarters where someone in charge can make a decision that overrules the driver or in court, if the metro system tells him to fuck off. It seems he has no problem lawyering up, why not before he gets himself tased? He said in the video that he's been kicked off before and lost his fare. Kinda sounds like he was asking for something to go down.

I do find it funny that he's sitting down for the interview though.

A Bus is a terrible place to fight for one's civil liberties. Too bad cops didnt taser that Rosa Parks bitch, she really inconvenienced a lot of people. She should have lawyered up and gone down to headquarters

[Zeb]

A Bus is a terrible place to fight for one's civil liberties. Too bad cops didnt taser that Rosa Parks bitch, she really inconvenienced a lot of people. She should have lawyered up and gone down to headquarters

Except Rosa Parks would have been hard pressed to get a lawyer for her fight. Whereas this guy easily can and has gotten a lawyer. This isn't the 50s anymore.

[Ksandra]

Except Rosa Parks would have been hard pressed to get a lawyer for her fight. Whereas this guy easily can and has gotten a lawyer. This isn't the 50s anymore.

Are you seriously suggesting that the only thing that makes Rosa Parks actions ok is from lack of a lawyer?


Now you're just trying too hard.

[archibaldcrane]

Whether this guy was right to refuse to sit down is hardly the issue as far as the police tazing him goes.

[Meresgi]

Whether this guy was right to refuse to sit down is hardly the issue as far as the police tazing him goes.

^This. People getting way too off the track about the guy when the show of force was over the top in a lot of people's opinions. While the video is chopped up and its hard to tell how long they spent talking to the guy or trying to persuade him off the boss, I can't imagine it was that much time as the cut in the video doesn't seem to jump ahead too far (guy says "1 min later" but who knows if it really was a single minute) and jumping to taze mode that fast seems pretty out there. I'm not a cop and I don't know how you handle that shit but if a cop tazed me w/o first speaking to me and listening to me tell him why exactly I was doing what I was doing and talking it over I would be pretty pissed and get a lawyer too.

Yeah you listen to cops when they tell you to do shit, but if you're not doing ANYTHING wrong at the time I don't really think you should be tazed after trying to explain yourself.

[Zeb]

Are you seriously suggesting that the only thing that makes Rosa Parks actions ok is from lack of a lawyer?

Now you're just trying too hard.

You're getting on me for not wanting to make a huge list of why this guy isn't Rosa Parks instead of getting on Suvhater for comparing him to her in the first place?

Yeah you listen to cops when they tell you to do shit, but if you're not doing ANYTHING wrong at the time I don't really think you should be tazed after trying to explain yourself.

I'm just pointing out that the man is responsible for putting himself, the driver and the cops in that situation. Kind of like Zimmerman following Martin that a lot of people seem to think is a huge fucking deal.

[Ksandra]

You're getting on me for not wanting to make a huge list of why this guy isn't Rosa Parks instead of getting on Suvhater for comparing him to her in the first place?

I don't think the guy was rosa parks, but if you are going to counter it, don't expect to not get called out when you bring up a bad reason to it.

[Zeb]

I don't think the guy was rosa parks, but if you are going to counter it, don't expect to not get called out when you bring up a bad reason to it.

I'm not going to counter a retarded argument with a full page of why he's fucking retarded. So why did you not call out Suvhater for starting the retarded argument? It's not because you think he's right in any way shape or form is it?

[Ksandra]

I'm not going to counter a retarded argument with a full page of why he's fucking retarded. So why did you not call out Suvhater for starting the retarded argument? It's not because you think he's right in any way shape or form is it?

Because, like archi pointed out, I think it's completely irrelevant to the issue (tazing). You just said something I found totally dumb so wanted to point it out.

[Suvhater]

to be fair i took issue with zeb when he said:
"Because the man put himself, the driver and the cops in a lose-lose position by choosing to make the bus the place where he wants to fight for his civil liberties."

I feel that anywhere anytime is a good place to stand up for your civil rights, no exceptions. I understand that you feel a bus is not an appropriate venue based upon that statement.

Sorry i forgot to add sarcasm tags to my earlier post

[Zeb]

to be fair i took issue with zeb when he said:

I feel that anywhere anytime is a good place to stand up for your civil rights, no exceptions. I understand that you feel a bus is not an appropriate venue based upon that statement.

Sorry i forgot to add sarcasm tags to my earlier post

You would put a bystander's safety at risk for your civil liberties? Your liberties are greater than theirs? Nice guy you are.

[Zeb]

Because, like archi pointed out, I think it's completely irrelevant to the issue (tazing). You just said something I found totally dumb so wanted to point it out.

Who is responsible for the situation is irrelevant? I think so far, everyone has agreed that the tazing was overboard, but no one has come up with a decent course of action for the police officers that would have guaranteed a better outcome. Because it's a no-win situation. In my mind, whoever/whatever caused the situation becomes very relevant.

[archibaldcrane]

Bystanders' safety?

wut

[Suvhater]

as far as police and escalation of force is concerned I didnt see anything that was abnormal from what i see on a regular basis. Since LEOSA was enacted police have been held to a lower standard of accountability in the name of keeping officers safe. IMO if police are going to continue to act this way and taze people for non-compliance 1-2minutes into the contact they should not bitch when they run into budget shortfalls. The police departments should instead be pointed to the myriad of lawsuits that sucked their budget dry.

None of this applies to assault on an officer or a bona fide threat to safety.

Nobody benefits from the police taking the stance that every single fucking person is a threat.

Also this man did NOT put himself in this situation, and i hope he gets paid.

[Suvhater]

Who is responsible for the situation is irrelevant? I think so far, everyone has agreed that the tazing was overboard, but no one has come up with a decent course of action for the police officers that would have guaranteed a better outcome. Because it's a no-win situation. In my mind, whoever/whatever caused the situation becomes very relevant.

An old school police officer who cares about the community and doesnt want to cause a huge legal shitstorm might pull $1.30 out of their own pocket and refund the guy his bus fare while helping his crippled ass off the bus.

There is a possible de-escalating course of action and it was the police who are responsible for the tazing.

[Rhinox]

[archibaldcrane]

Jesus.