Ridiculous Police News (Specific events)

[Psion]

The problem with swatting isnt the SWAT throwing flashbangs into cribs, its complete fucking morons calling these pranks in.

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[hey]

SWAT team isnt the nice guys though, theyre the ones that go in guns blazing because they're called in for what is perceived to be dire situations that dont have time for investigation. You are once again ignoring the real root of the problem and saying "damn popo dont do their jobs".

When theres a bomb threat, do you blame the police for clearing buildings out and ruining everyones day? Should they investigate for a bomb before clearing people out?


The problem with swatting isnt the SWAT throwing flashbangs into cribs, its complete fucking morons calling these pranks in.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-librar...ce-report.html

The problem is both.

When theres a bomb threat, do you blame the police for clearing buildings out and ruining everyones day? Should they investigate for a bomb before clearing people out?

I've been through this. The police didn't rush in with assault rifles shouting orders and making threats. No guns were ever drawn at any point. Everyone was calmly told to leave the building, and that was that. The police never put anyone in danger. It's a totally different situation.

[Dimmauk]

Considering that mental health and the acquisition of firearms is a big topic; until that changes, the response from police won't change.

People ask me why I'm so paranoid. 1.5 guns for every one of the 300 million Americans in this country. As long as people like Seung-Hui Cho, Adam Lanza, James Holmes, Aaron Alexis, George Hennard, James Huberty, Nidal Malik Hasan, Jiverly Wong, Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Michael McLendon, Scott Evans Dekraai (need I go on?) exist in this world and have access to firearms, it will never change. You don't make change by cutting the people trying to make a difference and save peoples lives. You make change by going after the source.

Want to say it's a small price to pay (a few lives) to end this so called militarization of police? Say that to the face of the next little child that gets gunned down by a psychopath.

Edit:

Just wanted to clarify that I do think no-knocks for drugs is a bit over-the-top. Stuff like that needs to be investigated HEAVILY. If there's no lives at stake, then take your time and work your case. I will agree on this.

Not for active stuff. Active shooters, hostages, domestic violence, etc. That's what SWAT was originally designed for and that's what it needs to be used for.

Imagine how the rest of us feel. We have to deal with cops and crazies.

[Boyiee]

I'm confused, do people really think dispatch doesn't try calling back numerous times?

[Melena]

That's what they're supposed to be used for.

They're much more busy serving warrants for minor drug offenses and other suspected non-violent crimes nowadays.

You are mistaking swat with narcotics. Swat only gets involved if it's a known drug ring where the chance of having heavy resistance is a possibility. Even then at least what I've seen, if they are brought along, it's due to them being trained with robots for surveillance.

[Weegion]

[Hatedregret]

[Nephlite]

Imagine how the rest of us feel. We have to deal with cops and crazies.

Sorry you feel as such, given your privilege.

Anyways, this made me laugh, mostly for the picture:

http://lostcoastoutpost.com/2014/aug...conscious-bee/

[jmc]

I am trying really really hard to get caught up on this, but my god I have been slacking.

Does anyone have specific questions about 911 calls leading to swatting or how calls are handled? I've been handling Boston 911 for the past few years including traces etc....

[Acevalefor]

I am trying really really hard to get caught up on this, but my god I have been slacking.

Does anyone have specific questions about 911 calls leading to swatting or how calls are handled? I've been handling Boston 911 for the past few years including traces etc....

How are threat calls handled in Boston? Something like "I just killed everyone in my house, The neighbors are next if you don't stop me" scenario.

[jmc]

How are threat calls handled in Boston? Something like "I just killed everyone in my house, The neighbors are next if you don't stop me" scenario.

By department policy a call like that requires two rapids (two officers in each car), and a patrol supervisor. That call goes out over the air, and most officers in the district will free up and assign themselves to assist.

While that is going on, the call taker is either trying to get more info from the caller or trying to recontact them if possible. Myself or one of the supervisors is listening to the original call, and looking at the "mapping" and the location of the cell tower to see if this person is even in the area of the location he is calling about if he is calling from a cell phone.

There are multiple variables to play through, so we need to take it very seriously in the response. As the officers will arrive well before we figure out if its legitimate or not. It makes it trickier if the person is calling from a non provisional 911 phone (phone with no service can call 911, but can't be called back or traced).

If its a landline phone, then we are going with the call is legitimate and coming from the address.

If its a VOIP phone, we need to go by the address given and the address recieved from the ALI/ANI information of the call. Most swatting calls are done with VOIP services because you can place any address as the home location, and when 911 is called that home location is what appears as a location on the call centers screen. VOIP calls also can't be traced on the department level.

I kind of rambled on there, sorry.

[Dimmauk]

Sorry you feel as such, given your privilege.

Anyways, this made me laugh, mostly for the picture:

http://lostcoastoutpost.com/2014/aug...conscious-bee/

I'm a Jewish mexican that looks middle eastern. I wish I had privilege. LOL

[Acevalefor]

By department policy a call like that requires two rapids (two officers in each car), and a patrol supervisor. That call goes out over the air, and most officers in the district will free up and assign themselves to assist.

While that is going on, the call taker is either trying to get more info from the caller or trying to recontact them if possible. Myself or one of the supervisors is listening to the original call, and looking at the "mapping" and the location of the cell tower to see if this person is even in the area of the location he is calling about if he is calling from a cell phone.

There are multiple variables to play through, so we need to take it very seriously in the response. As the officers will arrive well before we figure out if its legitimate or not. It makes it trickier if the person is calling from a non provisional 911 phone (phone with no service can call 911, but can't be called back or traced).

If its a landline phone, then we are going with the call is legitimate and coming from the address.

If its a VOIP phone, we need to go by the address given and the address recieved from the ALI/ANI information of the call. Most swatting calls are done with VOIP services because you can place any address as the home location, and when 911 is called that home location is what appears as a location on the call centers screen. VOIP calls also can't be traced on the department level.

I kind of rambled on there, sorry.

How many people have been successfully swatted with those procedures in place? That seems like a great check against prank calls. You can't catch them all but there is a process to catch as many as possible when or if they come through.

[jmc]

We get alot of prank calls that get picked up on quickly sometimes. Majority of our prank calls are individuals calling in people shot in a certain part of the city to divert resources away from another part of the city. (usually gangs fueds)

As for swatting, I don't think we have actually had any incident like that here before.

[Buffy]

I'm a Jewish mexican that looks middle eastern. I wish I had privilege. LOL

You're a Spurs fan, that's enough privilege.

[Zeb]

We get alot of prank calls that get picked up on quickly sometimes. Majority of our prank calls are individuals calling in people shot in a certain part of the city to divert resources away from another part of the city. (usually gangs fueds)

As for swatting, I don't think we have actually had any incident like that here before.

How rare are 911 calls from VOIP?

[6souls]

More on;

Kootra's incident - http://www.reddit.com/r/TheCreatures...t_got_swatted/

Swatting in general - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting

Vice special on Swatting

[jmc]

How rare are 911 calls from VOIP?

Not rare at all, I say we recieve more VOIP calls than old school landlines now.

[Nephlite]

The way Jmc described it is pretty much what we do. Hasn't been any Swatting here as far as I know. Our dispatchers are pretty incompetent, but most of the search and triangulation protocol is automatic. Doesn't require much interface. If the program can't get a fix on the caller location and the call-back doesn't work, you still have resources on route and in most cases on scene before the dispatcher even finishes his verification procedure.

Jewish

Nuff said.

[jmc]

whoops