Ridiculous Police News (Specific events)

[Waraji]

Well, I get what you're saying, but what about 4 grams of pot = credible threat? Police are like the Bush Administration of intelligence gathering.

[Boyiee]

Well, I get what you're saying, but what about 4 grams of pot = credible threat? Police are like the Bush Administration of intelligence gathering.

And where are you pulling that from?

[Waraji]

Shit, there was an article posted here (maybe?), I'll try finding it again. It was in the affect of, two middle aged? men in a house, SWAT raids the house, kills one of the men. Only thing found in the entire house was a small amount of marijuana (cocaine*).

Edit: *Here I'm pretty sure this is the one.

http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/...id-5711350.php

Hell, went through so many of these articles just Googling for it.

[BaneTheBrawler]

mmm no I don't believe so. How is going into a known felons house who is armed and even barricaded sometimes a situation created by police?

you answered your own question. think you're dealing with someone who has fortified their position? observe them for a while, hit them when it poses the least risk. like, say, at a gas station they frequent after clearing the area and filling the area with plainclothes. The police are initiating the interaction here; they can control much of it.

[Eurell]

If cops are clearing the area, wouldn't it be pretty easy for the guy to be warned? Thus creating an even more dangerous situation because the armed felon will now be nervous and on the lookout?

[NynJa]

If cops are clearing the area, wouldn't it be pretty easy for the guy to be warned? Thus creating an even more dangerous situation because the armed felon will now be nervous and on the lookout?

How dare you use logical reasoning!!

[djzombie]

How about flashbanging babies crib only to find nothing in the house, not even the person they were supposedly there for. Totally justifiable use of force, baby was coming right at them.

Inb4 "shouldn't have been a baby in a warzone."

[BaneTheBrawler]

If cops are clearing the area, wouldn't it be pretty easy for the guy to be warned? Thus creating an even more dangerous situation because the armed felon will now be nervous and on the lookout?

the point is as the initiators the cops control when where and how the suspect is approached. maybe use brains instead of tanks?

[Nephlite]

this is the problem. when you signed up to be a cop, did you sign up to protect and serve other cops? or the civilian population? because it sure sounds like you're placing the safety of people who LITERALLY CHOSE THIS AS THEIR JOB over people just chillin in their homes.

There's actually no legal obligation for the police to protect you (See: Warren V District of Columbia). Might be a policy or a set of morals in place to dictate course of actions, but my life comes first. Protect and Serve does not mean blindly rush in and die with your guns blazing. The duty of a police officer first and foremost is to bring the accused before the court to be judged. Protecting the innocent may be part of my investigation in to crime, but I am not legally responsible for you.

Now my morals and agency policy will dictate my actions and judgment, so you are right to an extent that I did sign up for this job and are aware of the risks. But, I also have the right to live, to defend myself, to keep myself free of injury or death, to utilize all the tools at my disposal, and to be a normal person, just like you. I'm not a robot. I am self-aware just as much as the next human being

you answered your own question. think you're dealing with someone who has fortified their position? observe them for a while, hit them when it poses the least risk. like, say, at a gas station they frequent after clearing the area and filling the area with plainclothes. The police are initiating the interaction here; they can control much of it.

This is why I hate no-knock raids, and to go off what Waraji was saying, this is the type of thing you run in to on occasion. Bad intelligence leads to bad situations, which is why you have to be thorough in your research. Bad informants lead to pitiful and sometimes miniscule seizure. Bad surveillance leads to small children getting hurt.

But, for every bad raid, there's at least 1000 good ones. Hundreds of millions of dollars in seized drugs, guns, and money have been taken in these raids, and some very violent and bankrolled perpetrators have been arrested, convicted, or deported. Bad raids are very few and far in between; those that go wrong, take it as a learning experience. Train better, get discussions on when they're (no-knock warrants) appropriate, get the Intel community back on track to being the best in the world, do your homework, create better policies.

Oh, and one more thing. You do a no-knock to catch people off guard. It's easier to confine casualties in a single home if you do it while the suspect is there. If you try to catch people in the open, you open up casualties and expose people to the risk if things go south. If you keep it inside, the only risk is you and the officers (and hopefully, none of your family).

[NynJa]

Neph, no one remembers the success stories, they only remember the failures. How many babies cribs got flashbanged? Judging by my google search, once, in Georgia. Yet it keeps getting thrown around over and over again.

[Boyiee]

I've been flash banged before it's pretty awesome.

And bane, cops do control scenes when it is a no knock and it is insurmountably safer for all sides. They do watch the place, usually for quite a while, for the least risk time of hit. The least family, the least people, the highest chance to safely engage. An enclosed residence protects the outside world as well. They don't bring tanks to anything, lol.

There are a lot of assumptions in this thread I remember a few weeks ago people were arguing the cops should call people back to see if it really is a hostage situation, how could you possibly believe they don't? Shit, dispatch calls 3rd and 4th party callers back like 20 times when someone drives by and sees a mysterious car in a neighborhood or smoke from a chimney.

[djzombie]

So basically what im hearing is dont judge us by the babies we flashbang or the unarmed black kids we empty clips into, judge us instead by the number of nonviolent drug offenders were able to successfully lock up without killing.

You had me at "success stories." I loled pretty fuckin hard at the thought of that.

[Clash Perez]

C'mon, guys. "To Protect and Serve" is sooo Andy Griffith.

This is 2014. Get with the program.

[Eurell]

So basically what im hearing is dont judge us by the babies we flashbang or the unarmed black kids we empty clips into, judge us instead by the number of nonviolent drug offenders were able to successfully lock up without killing.

You had me at "success stories." I loled pretty fuckin hard at the thought of that.

So what you're saying is judge people everyone by the .1% that goes bad?

[BaneTheBrawler]

that depends, is everyone a "trained" professional?

[Nephlite]

So basically what im hearing is dont judge us by the babies we flashbang or the unarmed black kids we empty clips into, judge us instead by the number of nonviolent drug offenders were able to successfully lock up without killing.

You had me at "success stories." I loled pretty fuckin hard at the thought of that.

You had me at nonviolent drug offenders. I loled pretty fuckin' hard at the thought of that. Take a trip out to Mexico and tell me how your interaction with the Cartel goes.

In fact, I got a meth addict named Jimmy who would love to meet you. Hope to god you're a blue/blonde white boy, else he'd love to knock you out with a brick, rob you, then cut on you with a box cutter because he likes to see blood of colored people.

Am I wrong for judging American's as a whole for stories of women strangling their kids to death? Stories of monsters like Ariel Castro and the dozens of other cases that have popped up since? Real possibilities of an active shooter running through a school killing 20 small defenseless children?

Humanity is doomed, and America will be the forefront of the downfall. I have little faith in it. /strawman

that depends, is everyone a "trained" professional?

Trained professionals who are still human and still make mistakes. Why doesn't anyone get this?

[chazzyphizzle]

guize the cartel is bad. insights from a real life police.

[djzombie]

Didnt realize you all were policing mexico. My bad.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...r-drug-crimes/

Although the overall U.S. prison population declined slightly in 2011, the federal prison population continued to rise, with rates of drug and immigration offenders that eclipse those held for violent crimes. While only 8 percent of federal prisoners were sentenced for violent crimes in 2011, almost half of federal inmates – 48 percent – were in prison for drug crimes, according to Department of Justice statistics. Another 11 percent were held for immigration offenses – one of the largest-growing segments of the prison population.

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[Headspace]

You guys! Babies getting flashbanged and innocent people dying due to bad info and no knock raids are just collateral damage to getting the real guys! The pros outweigh the cons!

[Waraji]

You had me at nonviolent drug offenders.

This is bullshit. I just posted an article not two page back about a man getting killed in a SWAT raid whom was a nonviolent drug offender. Dude even fkin turned himself in a previous altercation with an EMT after drugs were found in his house. It was noted by the department that he was completely cooperative at all times and friendly during his stay.

But I guess that doesn't count since its an isolated incident.

You just seem like every other cop painting suspects with a brush. If it's a legitimate threat, its fine and I'll keep my mouth shut. But when its a known non-violent person and no one gave a shit to verify their information before going in guns blazing , fuck that.