Ridiculous Police News (Specific events)

**Nephlite** · 2014-09-30 23:58

Saw this. I actually like this guy's viewpoint.

**Pirian** · 2014-10-01 00:21

That's good, he's only one of the top authorities on the subject in the world.

**quannum** · 2014-10-01 15:00

Why are leaders corrupt? This question has teased and taunted researchers over the years; however, there is not much research that has examined this question using experimental designs that give real power to leaders in real-stakes situations. In this animated, fun, but also science-packed podcast, Prof. John Antonakis explains what he and his colleagues--Dr. Samuel Bendahan, Prof. Christian Zehnder, and Prof. François Pralong--found in two experimental studies. Both power (leader choice set and number of followers) and the person (baseline testosterone) caused corruption. The implications of this study are far reaching and should make individuals responsible for organizational governance mechanisms to pause and think about how much power and discretionary choices leaders should have.

**Anoat** · 2014-10-02 16:26

This happened in my hometown the other day! Video picks up after some cops have arrested some people for...something...but it appears to be a charge of walking down the street while black. A few minutes in, a 60-something woman approaches one of the cop cars, cop yells and her and tells her to move back. Another cop walks over and grabs her arm. The woman pulls her arm away and starts walking away from the cop, and he tazers her right in the back, dropping her flat. The cop has since been put on administrative leave pending investigation.

**BaneTheBrawler** · 2014-10-02 20:13

aaaaand that's how you get a lawsuit. she probably lost some teeth or something, shit. faceplant right into pavement.

**quannum** · 2014-10-02 20:22

you guys aren't being fair, look at it from the cops perspective. this woman could have had outstanding warrants and pulled a gun on him, HE COULD HAVE DIED, why won't you people be fair to the police.

/sarcasm

**NynJa** · 2014-10-02 22:39

You cant see it since it wasnt filmed, but that jeep wasnt there at 1:08 when they showed that area. at 1:25 the cop is talking to the guys in the back of the car, cant make out what he's saying. At one point you can hear "stay out of the streets" and "were done, were done until ... ID". at 2:05 he starts yelling towards the crowd to the left (still unseen) "let me tell you something, if you walk up here .... you're going in the back of the car". I'm going to assume that jeep pulled up and the woman got out and started yelling at the cops. I'm not sure why he's already threatening arresting the woman, though it possibly was something heard off camera. The woman says something in return, which the cop returns with "I dont care ... get back in the car". At 2:18, you can hear people, the bystanders, yelling "dont come up, dont come up", meaning she's started advancing towards the cops. The second cop starts walking forward to her saying "back up back up" over and over, pretty much giving her a chance to get away without anything, but instead she insists on mouthing off at the cops for reasons unheard. The cop goes in to detain her, and she pulls away, which is kinda fucking stupid. At this point, for whatever reason, the cop immediately escalated to using a tazer. And whether you guys like it or not, when she pulled away, she was essentially resisting arrest, which is kind of a no-no.

**Nephlite** · 2014-10-02 23:09

Originally Posted by quannum

you guys aren't being fair, look at it from the cops perspective. this woman could have had outstanding warrants and pulled a gun on him, HE COULD HAVE DIED, why won't you people be fair to the police.

/sarcasm

Like most incidents, there's no context with the video, so it's easy to claim excessive force if you're just looking at the video.

Originally Posted by Anoat

Video picks up after some cops have arrested some people for...something...but it appears to be a charge of walking down the street while black.

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/277701991.html

Cops stopped three individuals and arrested them for selling drugs, a response that came after complaints from the residents of the neighborhood. The article even quotes several of them appreciating and welcoming the cops being there.

This woman then goes up to the cops and talks to them about a subject. She's told repeatedly to step back and they will talk to her in a minute. She continues, tries to insert herself in the picture, and they decided to arrest her for obstruction.

Now in my experience and according to my own Use of Force policy, Taser and Pepper Spray (less-lethal) responses are generally used prior to hands-on. She resisted the officer taking her in to custody by pulling her arms away, which his response can be a Taser. A lot of cops would have done the same thing. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Go hands on, risk using excessive force with your hands and feet trying to control a subject. Use a Taser (which is generally safer than hands on use), stuff like this happens. Similar incident to this happened:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b9_1406705972

If you're an onlooker who doesn't know the context behind the stop, your perception immediately would be excessive force and "The guy didn't do anything!"

But the reality is, this guy is a known Sovereign Citizen, eluded the police earlier in the day, drives his vehicle with blatant disregard for traffic laws and safety, has been arrested multiple times for assault and disorderly conduct, and is insane. He's running for mayor, which he believes gives him a free pass to do whatever he wants.

Context is everything. Look at what happened with the Django Unchained actress Danielle Watts who cried and claimed racism after she was detained for lewd misconduct. They didn't even CHARGE her, and she still cried foul. Then, people found out her entire soapbox crybaby argument was bullshit, and she STILL says she was profiled and it was excessive, etc. Even the ACLU, who defended her in the beginning, demanded she apologize after the truth came out. It didn't stop the circlejerk and Monday Morning Quarterbacking of the police doing their job and screaming that they should be fired/sued/etc.

I understand it looks bad, but you should still hold judgement until you know the full story. Dunno how many times I can say that. Jumping on the bandwagon and running full-tilt in to zealot status before you know the whole story is reckless and stupid. Do some research. Google shit and figure things out. Be a Detective. You want to critique people's actions and do investigations in to police misconduct? You got to go through the whole process and make it a fair and objective review, instead of letting your emotions get the best of you.

**Waraji** · 2014-10-02 23:10

But was she within 25 feet of the officer?

**Nephlite** · 2014-10-02 23:13

Originally Posted by Waraji

But was she within 25 feet of the officer?

What does that have to do with anything?

**Waraji** · 2014-10-02 23:22

She could have had a knife and rushed him. Therefore totally justifiable for the cop to have approached her the way he did.

**Nephlite** · 2014-10-02 23:42

Originally Posted by Waraji

She could have had a knife and rushed him. Therefore totally justifiable for the cop to have approached her the way he did.

He didn't shoot her, he Tased her.

**Ghost_Wheel22** · 2014-10-03 01:07

Originally Posted by Waraji

She could have had a knife and rushed him. Therefore totally justifiable for the cop to have approached her the way he did.

It's 21 feet and only applies if a deadly weapon is brandished. Try again.

**Nephlite** · 2014-10-03 04:44

I dunno how I feel about this one...

http://www.policeone.com/suspect-pur...ping-incident/

**Qalbert** · 2014-10-03 07:41

suspect purping incident

**archibaldcrane** · 2014-10-03 11:09

Playing the taser death lottery against non violent people simply for failing to comply with orders is cowardly, stupid policing.

**Waraji** · 2014-10-03 12:02

Originally Posted by archibaldcrane

Playing the taser death lottery against non violent people simply for failing to comply with orders is cowardly, stupid policing.

She was well within 21* Feet (Thanks Ghost) at that point. The Taser was necessary to subdue the fleeing perp.

**Nephlite** · 2014-10-03 16:20

Originally Posted by archibaldcrane

Playing the taser death lottery against non violent people simply for failing to comply with orders is cowardly, stupid policing.

This again? You'd rather they use their hands, legs, and impact weapons to subdue people and possibly cause more harm to them? Tasers still haven't directly killed anyone, and the chances of you dying anyways are pretty damn slim. Why not get rid of them altogether?!

**Acevalefor** · 2014-10-03 16:28

Why does a non-violent person need to be subdued?

**archibaldcrane** · 2014-10-03 16:29

You're right, I shouldn't trust cops not to beat the shit out of some random lady who pulled her arm away. Enough cops are terrible enough at their jobs that the taser death lottery is probably the safest thing they can do.

Just know that as a cop, if you're using your taser on a non-aggressive person, you're saying "I'm so bad at my job that jolting this person with electricity is the least likely way for me to injure them."

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