Tera: Random Complaint Thread. +12, but now what do I do with all this fodder?

[Lucavi]

Eastern cultures think that Westerners are blithering idiots, so yes, they dumb things down for us. Its always been that way.

[madpersian]

The word 'Westernize' never made much sense to me. What do asian people see the other half of the world as, that they have to remake the game to remove things that made the game unique. I liked the pet/bazzar it not only let you sell stuff, buy buy stuff from other players while you where out playing the game. Is a barter system not a western theme, so they removed it? How about this 20x increase in exp to the point people rarely read the lore of the game, because they are being pushed off to the next leveling area before they even finish a fraction of the quests for that zone. Can western people not be bothered to read and play a game to the point that they have to be given max level right out of the box? Where did this idea that lucky eggs and fortune eggs would kill alchemy, that they removed it, and with it all the other stuff ( like glyph reset on the go gems). Are western people not smart enough to utilize alchemy for the scrolls and rune upgrades, that pots alone would kill the craft? The last thing is of course the upgrade system, which i think they got right with the westernize, since now its a system where anyone who tosses enough money at it, they will eventually get it to plus 9. Last thing tho, I dont know if its different in other clients, but I have a thing about the political system being an open vote system, where once one person votes, they can see the ranks of all those running in order of votes they have. Shouldnt a westernized political system be a closed ballot box, where you everyone votes not knowing what place there candidate is in. As a added note on the political system, why are areas to be contested via battle, set up like gvg? Everyone pretty much acknowledges the flaws in gvg battle, yet now that flaw of safe zones, snipers and overwhelming forces controls who get a zone now?

I agree with you that it was stupid to dumb down the game. But not that the enchanting system is good enough. It is very likely that someone would throw endless money at an item and never hit +9. There are already people who have made over a score of attempts at +9 and failed. This system is not fair because it doesn't reward the same amount of effort with the same amount of reward. It can cause huge disparities between players. It's not even a difference of someone spending a few thousand more gold than another player. Currently, I've spent over twelve more thousand gold than SPD did on his axe, and I don't have a +9 and he does. That is ridiculous.

I do agree with you that the xp did not need to be sped up. I don't think eggs should have been gone, as I, and all the good players I know would have been using the alchemy stuff anyway. It's just too good.

As far as the political system, it actually seems perfectly westernized. We start seeing exit polls pretty much as elections begin. Media starts ranking candidates pretty much from the start. By the time the West coast, Hawaii and Alaska are voting, they've pretty much called the winner. It actually seems pretty damn accurate to me.

I think the GvG political system is just a fix they threw in to make pvpers happy while they work on bringing BGs here. GvGs are broken though, and as a result, the political conquest system will be broken until it is fixed. The only time you get good GvG on JC is when guilds essentially decide not to be bitches and go out and fight legitimately. It does happen though, even on JC. That's why I'm joining Reckless, as they've gotten some pretty fucking sweet GvG action since they formed a week or so ago.

I do believe EME wants to put out a good game, and the are trying. I just don't think they know what needs to be fixed. I'm willing to let pretty much all the flaws slide, except for the asian gambling garbage. But sadly that's stuffed into every aspect of the game. I have some hope though. They introduced greater charms, which are more expensive than they should be, but at least you can just get the greater charm effect without burning a bunch of charms. If they did something similar with enchant (super expensive alkahest that guarantees an upgrade), I'd stick with the game. If they don't, I'll be gone as soon as another pretty action game like Wild Star hits beta.

Eastern cultures think that Westerners are blithering idiots, so yes, they dumb things down for us. Its always been that way.

Eastern cultures also think life is suffering, so their shit is obscenely brutal. There's a difference between dumbing things down and making it fun instead of grueling to play. I don't want my game dumbed down. I loved FFXI's complexity, it's hidden systems that required experimentation to learn, etc. I just don't want to feel like tearing out my hair when I play a game because the game is designed to torture you.

Maybe this will help with GvG in the plitical system:

http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/t...ews+%28TERA%29

[Meresgi]

The fuck is with mystics not dropping any balls or running more then 1 aura? My Sorc is 49 now, no mystic in any group I have ever had has fed me mana balls or even fucking put any out. They just stand there and dps their combo attack at the boss...

Even at 60 in FoK and BT I see no orbs getting dropped.

[Katlan]

ack, wrong thread

[Meresgi]

Last boss of SA is sooo hard....fucking people...jesus.

[madpersian]

The fuck is with mystics not dropping any balls or running more then 1 aura? My Sorc is 49 now, no mystic in any group I have ever had has fed me mana balls or even fucking put any out. They just stand there and dps their combo attack at the boss...

Even at 60 in FoK and BT I see no orbs getting dropped.

I generally queue with DPS and get a pug healer. I'm always hoping for a priest. I don't get all the mystic love we were fed by K-Tera players. I prefer priests in pve and pve.

[Avarice]

Leveling up, I preferred Mystic, though as I do more and more FoKHM and BTHM runs, I start to prefer Priests; Mystic Auras are nice, but a Priest's heals are just so much better. And during a particularly tough fight, or more specifically a DPS race, people don't have time to go wandering, looking for balls.

[Meresgi]

Leveling up, I preferred Mystic, though as I do more and more FoKHM and BTHM runs, I start to prefer Priests; Mystic Auras are nice, but a Priest's heals are just so much better. And during a particularly tough fight, or more specifically a DPS race, people don't have time to go wandering, looking for balls.

Not to mention with the right glyphs the priest can debuff a boss and buff their groups to almost the same level as a mystic

[Lucavi]

Its ironic: my TERA sub ends on 8/28/12. I can't wait for GW2 to take over. So many broken promises, but that's the reality of the modern MMO.

[madpersian]

I hate this egg hunting shit. Ruining the economy, more RNG shit. What a terrible way to keep players occupied for a week.

[Katlan]

it;s not even a week. EME LOVESSS their scheduled events. which is stupid as fuck imo. just let it run for 2 weeks.

and ruining what economy? crystal market is retarded as shit because you can't easily farm the good ones and its a cock block to HM's unless you have tons of cash to throw at deaths and dont mind dropping a few thousand a day just to learn encounters. and even then... crystals (the good ones) are rare drops anyways

[wolp]

stalked bg and played ffxi for years. did the tera free trial and enjoyed it, just want to ask if its worth buying? I've seen so many complaint threads (here and official forums). Are people just bitching or is the game really heading in the wrong direction?

edit: f it, buying it, psyched myself into it

[madpersian]

Crystals aren't hard to farm if you put in minimal effort. It's annoying because it's the one semi reliable thing you can easily farm for cash. So yeah it does fuck up my farming. And it runs through ten days I believe. Just not full time on weekdays.

What's particularly annoying about it is that the drops, specially the potions are too good not to get if you plan to do pvp tournaments and GvG vanarchy. Since your opposition will most likely have them.

[Divimise]

I think the biggest one of those is the "Auxiliary Content". I had thought this Egg event may give us something else to do, but by limiting it to 5-9pm weekdays it doesn't even really do that. If I login after work and my group is not around, I have all of 2 things to do. My increasingly tedious and boring dailies (I hate Metzen and whoever else over at Blizzard for coming up with the shitty ass daily quest concept.) Then I can go inside BT and kill Sloth's every 2 hours and call that "farming". In my other longterm MMOs I always had something to do. Whether it was doing a random dungeon (having a cd however short on a normal dungeon prevents randoming without friends and the difficulty and length of dungeons in Tera precludes wanting to deal with Pugs) or camping a rare, lottery spawning an NM or trying to get that random mount in WoW there was always little extra things to do. Even XI gave us Besieged, Campaign, BCNM and the capability to solo/lowman a whole heck of a lot of things of worth. Tera just does not have that yet. I truly hope that it will get some of this level of fun and get it soon.

This hits the head of the nail right on in my opinion, and the reason i stopped playing last week. You log in, do daily, buy your crystal's or try for a better accessories, run 3 dungeons, then log out because there nothing left to do that day. At best the weekends offer nexus, which someone mentioned about the ability to turn of effects, as of now, weekends suck, since all you do is log in, auto attack at the red dot on the mini map, and wait for your 1 frame to update and tell you everyone won the fight.

Crafting might be a stupid long time sink, and economy is crystals driven due to high break rate and farming crystals is only way to replace them, but thats at least an economy in some form, so its not really a major issue.

Return of all the content that was removed would be a second thing I would like to see. Like eggs back so you can get the cool stuff from the merged egg system ( which the merge items are still taunting me when i look at the general merchant), if i run 5x fane instances, i should have enough eggs to turn into fortune and get some glyph reset gems or rare crystals. (There excuse they removed it to prevent alchemy from being useless it bull. If they are that worried, why didnt they just remove pots from eggs and leave the rest) Also the removal of bazaars to sell stuff while your out farming for crafting items or running instances. If i need 100x items for my next synth, I should be able to bazaar up with my pet, and have people sell me there items, without me having to be at the AH camping it like some bot. It was a cool unique system of buying and selling, and was removed when the game came out.

To close, id just like to say, doing nothing but killing argons and monkeys is not what a justify as endgame. What other game has you stuck to literately 2 zones that you can traverse across in a matter of 1 or 2 min, and make that entire zone what the server is supposed to be happy playing in? I see more content and different thing walking outside my house then playing this game right now. The lead up to 60 was nice, so many zones, so many different towns with different problems, then its like, all those problems dont exist anymore. Do what ffxi did, and make those problems worth fixing, add more level 60+ stuff, force players to go back to an old area and do stuff that is a reward to endgame players. Hell add level 70 mobs that require full party to kill. Either the world needs to be bigger, or they just need to rezone some places so they have a mix of endgame and midgame mobs in all zones. Prevent zones from being 20-25only, or 40-43 only, give players a reason to go back and help that npc you skiped because the quests in the town next door were worth more to do. If all else fails, do what RO did, and just blow a zone up, say the argons or nexus mothership landed and took out 3 whole zones, and now its covered in level 62-70 mobs that you probably will need at least 2 friends to go killing in.

If i typed to much, the short version with no comments and suggestions is -- no endgame content, need more stuff to kill, quest, and grind.

[Kipling]

Fix the level 54-57 questing...ugh I hate this shit.

I feel like if you can't stand leveling in lowered exp NA TERA you should probably reconsider MMO's as a whole.

[Lucavi]

Seems like quite a lot of people are reconsidering this game as a whole, so I don't know what purpose destructive comments like the one above serve. Just because MMOs -can- have long grinds doesn't mean that they absolutely must, or someone should "reconsider the genre". In this case, it isn't even the XP that's the problem; its the sharp increase in HP on the mobs that leads to the experience being a slog, and a slog is no fun, regardless of how much XP the mob eventually awards.

[Avarice]

To each their own; I know the game's not perfect, but I'm still having fun with it. While some may not like to grind the same dungeon repeatedly to top out their gear or do dailies, I personally don't mind it. I just wish my computer was better built sometimes so that I could stay in preset 6 more often.

[Kipling]

Seems like quite a lot of people are reconsidering this game as a whole, so I don't know what purpose destructive comments like the one above serve. Just because MMOs -can- have long grinds doesn't mean that they absolutely must, or someone should "reconsider the genre". In this case, it isn't even the XP that's the problem; its the sharp increase in HP on the mobs that leads to the experience being a slog, and a slog is no fun, regardless of how much XP the mob eventually awards.

I guess the fact that anyone complains about "grinding" in TERA is mind boggling to me. I guess that's because my first MMO was NA release ffxi and after that anything is cake. Guess not everyone had that experience, though.

[Lucavi]

I guess the fact that anyone complains about "grinding" in TERA is mind boggling to me. I guess that's because my first MMO was NA release ffxi and after that anything is cake. Guess not everyone had that experience, though.

In TERA, its just not -fun-. I second Elcura's statements on the subject; its not that the pacing is bad, or that there's too much XP to go between levels, because there isn't. The task itself, is just not fun. About 4 of my characters have just hit a progression roadblock right after SM, leveling in Cutthroat Harbor, because I'm just terribly bored with the quests and the grind. I'm tired of fighting those mobs, tired of running back and forth to the hub, the storyline there and in other areas for that level spread is horribly bland and uninspiring, and I'd rather be instance-grinding all the way to max level if I had to do something, but the instances are spread out a bit too wide for that, and once again, if I'm not on my lancer, it takes upwards of an hour to get a party through dungeon finder. God forbid I want to level with a friend and pop into a random instance on the side. We might as well minimize the game and play another up another one while we're waiting.

This is coming from a guy who was in the thick of NA XI back in 2004, so yeah, you can throw that XI statement out the goddamned window. Just because I endured 12 hour LFG times on my Drg back in the peak of SE's shitty job imbalance doesn't mean I have the patience or the time to do it again. I'm not paying any company real money to sit in an hour-long que of a game that essentially just came out. They still haven't fixed LFG times for non-tanks.

[Eddard]

Crafting might be a stupid long time sink, and economy is crystals driven due to high break rate and farming crystals is only way to replace them, but thats at least an economy in some form, so its not really a major issue.

Used to be a time sink... now it's herp derp "I get 6 skills per synth instead of 2." It's fucking easy mode now and saves people a ridiculous amount of gold going through those harder stages. I thought it was fine before. Those who took the time and persevered through it would be rewarded at higher levels. I'm still personally angry with this (as if you couldn't tell already), but now anyone can take a craft to 410 in no time flat if you can find the designs @280, 330, 360, 400 (I think those are the levels).

I want a damn refund of gold!