What's Better?

[Toth]

Yes, that is what meant. I noticed that the Blut also has 7 more base DMG too. Would that alone make SS more powerful than VS?

[Fake]

Vereth + Victory Smite is still better, even assuming that the 12.5% defense down is up 100% of the time. ODD is a very potent buff, you'll need an even better weapon to overcome that.

The ODD is actually a very small buff on Vereth. It has far less impact on H2H than any other weapon you'd use an emp WS.

[Taim Meich]

Yes, but still, it is enough to make it superior, unless Motenten's spreadsheets are very mistaken. However, if you want to purchase a Blutkrallen despite that, be my guest.

[Toth]

Well I do not know if a 5 million gil plunge is really worth it over my existing Verethragna. If the difference is not THAT great, I am happy waiting for skirmish weapons.

[Taim Meich]

I told you, even if the defense down was always active, Vereth 90 is still superior...

[dasva]

The ODD is actually a very small buff on Vereth. It has far less impact on H2H than any other weapon you'd use an emp WS.

Well about the same as 1hd weapons when dual wielding.

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, it's not much different. He's technically correct due to the higher DPS offhand and kicks though.

[Fake]

Well about the same as 1hd weapons when dual wielding.

As far as I'm aware the ODD procs on the offhand that doesn't double/triple attack and doesn't proc on kicks.

While its not a huge difference in overall DPS between 1 handed and h2h there is a sizable difference when comparing only the benefit of the ODD.

[Byrthnoth]

Both Monk hands can DA/TA, so it's really "Kicks and your hand that doesn't ODD is comparatively stronger for Verth."

[dasva]

Yeah just h2h gets the loss of the offhand hits but not the benefit of being able to offhand something for just stats and such. Though wonder how that would work with footwork lol

[Fake]

Idk why I thought offhand couldn't DA/TA since I have vereth and its seen some use.

Either way, PUP sucks.

[Cream Soda]

I told you, even if the defense down was always active, Vereth 90 is still superior...

Well, you have to look at indirect damage too, since every other DD int he pt would also now be doing more dmg with the defense down buff.

May not make him look better on the parser, but still can help the group produce the greatest amount of damage, depending on how many DDs are in the pt

[dasva]

That's true but then we need proc rates and I think someone in the rqt thread said something about it being gimped recently

[Toth]

I told you, even if the defense down was always active, Vereth 90 is still superior...

Thanks Taim. I will just wait them. I think the reason I was asking is that I was seeing a PUP/DNC with a 99 vereth do a 1k+ VS on a Morimar crag last night and I was stuck at 700 (as PUP/NIN). Granted he used red curry and had 3 bard songs on him (or her) but I was curious if that large spike difference was due just to those buffs and not the +7 more DMG.

I think I just answered my own question though lol I need a trio song BRD mule obviously ><

[Taim Meich]

lol, and you were surprised? He had a lot of buffs.

Oh, and Cream soda's point is very legit: Blutkrallen's defense down is a great group buff. Then again, PUP and groups... >_>

[Toth]

Yeah lol I didn't really think about it until today. I felt so inadequate and blamed my weapon. My bad!

[Modoru]

Chocaliztli Mask new contender for best head piece on Mercy Stroke, or am I completely wrong? I'm not entirely certain what the optimal set for the WS is.

[Motenten]

Re: Blutkrallen comparison (yeah, a bit late, but whatever) --

Looking at it, if you remove ODD and def down, it's nearly identical to Vere 90 (for pup; for mnk, the lower MA delay of the job gives Vere a greater edge). 30% ODD gives Vere a nice push, as does the 12.5% def down for the Blutkrallen. However neither of those is going to be 100% active. The degree to which one or the other is inactive will indicate which will pull ahead (aside from the effect of def down on group damage).

If you didn't have Vere already, a Blutkrallen looks like a great purchase. If you do already have Vere, though, Blutkrallen is just a sidegrade, and pretty much a waste of money.

[Khajit]

Chocaliztli Mask new contender for best head piece on Mercy Stroke, or am I completely wrong? I'm not entirely certain what the optimal set for the WS is.

On TA it's probably the best. I sorta doubt 5 str beats out 13 dex on SaMercy.

[Modoru]

On TA it's probably the best. I sorta doubt 5 str beats out 13 dex on SaMercy.

Sounds about right. What's the actual best head for MS?