What's Better?

[Atoreis]

3.0 + 1.0 offhand = 4.0?

At 99, is the difference between 1.0ftp and 100AGI over 60STR more than a 40% increase?

Noodles is kinda right.
With 40% increase you have 5.6 fTP pretty much with lower WSC but its STR which increase your ATT and fSTR (It might not be big for daggers but it exist and I dont think that Exentrator set caps it).

EDIT:
@Byrth THF in Exentrator set has 160STR? (Thats not even assuming some highend mobs because thats cap for mobs with 104VIT)

[Byrthnoth]

It has +50 STR to MS's +72. Assuming that translates to a 6 fSTR difference:

4*1.4 = 5.6 (a little more due to DA/TA)
5.6/5 = 1.12, so the extra 40% mod only has to add a little more than 12% damage to make the WSs equal.

60% STR with an ideal Mercy Stroke set is behind 100% AGI with an ideal Exenterator set. fSTR is likely capped in both cases thanks to Thaumas and THF's low fTP cap.

MS: 89+12+72 STR = 87 base damage :: 14+55+87 = 156 :: 156*5.6 = 873.6
Exe: 91+72 AGI = 138 base damage :: 8+55+138 = 201 :: 201*5 = 1005

So Exenterator will do more damage. Whether a 5% crit rate boost makes up for it, I don't know. I suspect it doesn't, though.

If somehow you have capped fSTR with MS and 0 fSTR with Exenterator:
MS: 89+12+72 STR = 87 base damage :: 14+55+87 = 156 :: 156*5.6 = 873.6
Exe: 91+72 AGI = 138 base damage :: 0+55+138 = 193 :: 193*5 = 965

[noodles355]

Not so unreasonable. Swapping in Thaumas x4 over Oce+1/Skadi/Ambusher/Af3+2 with Str Thokcha gives me (mithra/war) 153.

In that case would Whirlwind Dirs or Heca Subligar+1 be better for SA MS (Assuming Thaumas trumps both)? Or should I just mule/manne/toss whirlwind?

[Atoreis]

First of all this math is fail from the start. We should check "fTP" with DA/TA because for THF its very relevant. It might probably not change results much but still.
Whats the perfect set for MS anyway? Because there is att that we completely ignore for this comparison.

[noodles355]

The attack difference will be roughly 60ish I reckon. The sets I used for my agi/str/att values in an earlier post were these, which had a 62Att difference.
Exen:
Thaumas/Justiciar/Drone/Brutal
Kudzu/Thaumas/Stormsoul/Stormsoul
Atheling/Crudelis/Thaumas/Thaumas

MS:
Heca+1(5Att 4DA)/Justiciar/Vulcan's/Brutal
Toci's/AF3+2/Pyrosoul/Rajas
Atheling/Prosilio/Whirlwind/Heca+1(2Str 5Att)

Should swap Auster Pearl over Drone in Exen and Pyrosoul over Rajas in Mercy (for unstacked) and uh.. I never knew which was best between atheling/cerb+1.

[Atoreis]

The attack difference will be roughly 60ish I reckon. The sets I used for my agi/str/att values in an earlier post were these, which had a 62Att difference.
Exen:
Thaumas/Justiciar/Drone/Brutal
Kudzu/Thaumas/Stormsoul/Stormsoul
Atheling/Crudelis/Thaumas/Thaumas

MS:
Heca+1(5Att 4DA)/Justiciar/Vulcan's/Brutal
Toci's/AF3+2/Pyrosoul/Rajas
Atheling/Prosilio/Whirlwind/Heca+1(2Str 5Att)

Should swap Auster Pearl over Drone in Exen and Pyrosoul over Rajas in Mercy (for unstacked) and uh.. I never knew which was best between atheling/cerb+1.

Epona for sure wont lost with Rajas ring for MS.

That set is STR+79? Food+7 and You gonna be with SCH or WHM in pt usually so lets say +12 from SCH. +98
Not sure about my base but i guess its around 100?

fTP for this set after swapping to epona is 4.72 before 99 increase.
14+55+101=170
170*4.72*1.4=1123

Now please do calculation for Exentrator because im in work and im lacking base AGI value
I know that it will be:
5.54 "fTP"
+78AGI
Lets say 14fSTR

EDIT using AGI values from Byrth post 91+78= 212
212*5.54= 1174


Thats 4-5% advantage for Exentrator in base damage. If attack is relevant MS set has enough att advantage (remember that att difference will be even higher with berserk and other % based boosts) to pulls ahead and there is still 5% crit aftermath.

[noodles355]

With Mandau(99)/Str Thokcha, swapping Thaumas pieces in over my current sets where applicable,
For exenterator I would have: 178AGI 153STR 660Attack. 247 Base Damage @ 660 Attack

+1 AGI for adding Auster Pearl, that should be a perfect Exen set for Mithra Thf/War (98 Base + 83 = 179). 248 BD * 5.54 = 1373.9

And good point on Epona. Rajas just came to mind because still thinking about stacking >.>

[Atoreis]

+1 AGI for adding Auster Pearl, that should be a perfect Exen set for Mithra Thf/War.

And good point on Epona. Rajas just came to mind because still thinking about stacking >.>

178AGI is 153 WSC +55+14 is 220 not 247.
Mithra Agi is base 100 AGI?

[Byrthnoth]

153+55+14 = 222. Also, Tessera Saio would be a better body than Toci/Kudzu for those WSs. And Heca Feet +1 can go up to +4 STR. I'd be a little surprised if Whirlwind Dirs actually beat Thaumas Kecks for unstacked Mercy Stroke.

Mithra THF/WAR has a base of 96 AGI and /NIN or /DNC is 97.

[Atoreis]

153+55+14 = 222. Also, Tessera Saio would be a better body than Toci/Kudzu for those WSs. And Heca Feet +1 can go up to +4 STR. I'd be a little surprised if Whirlwind Dirs actually beat Thaumas Kecks for unstacked Mercy Stroke.

Mithra THF/WAR has a base of 96 AGI and /NIN or /DNC is 97.

Well I can try to calculate Thaumas for MS but Im 100% sure about Toci winning. No way 7att will beat 3%DA.

EDIT: 3%Da and 3STR are 2% increase for MS. Thaumas 13ATT shouldnt be more than 2% but it should be pretty close (almost equal)

Also if accuracy is relevant Toci wins even more and Thaumas will obviously beat whirlwind.

[noodles355]

178AGI is 153 WSC +55+14 is 220 not 247.

Ah ty, forgot that
Mithra Agi is base 100 AGI?[/QUOTE]
96 for Thf/War. 98 Base Str (max Str merits)

Also yeah forgot about Saio, but I'm with Atoreis in thinking Toci should be better.

[tharon]

For drg Stardiver, I don't have neo nyzul drops or ace's mail. So it's between avant+1 and ares's . body slot obv. which should i use?

[Spicyryan]

Which set would be better for THF? (Across the board enemies)

Mandau/Str magian
AF3+2/love/suppa/brutal
AF3+2/AF3+2/epona/rajas
Athel/twilight/AF3+2/AF2+2

-or-

(changed head body feet)
Mandau/Str magian
Oce+1/love/suppa/brutal
Toci's/AF3+2/epona/rajas
Athel/twilight/AF3+2/Athos'

90% sure the first set, but there could be some hand haste debauchery or something thrown in I am not thinking about.

[Kalmado]

First set is recommended, but I question using Love Torque, unless it's bumping your base damage? I'd assume use Rancor Collar.

[Suteru]

COR and Last Stand: AKP head with AGI and WS Damage, STR WS Acc or AF3+2? I've been gone a while and never really bothered with the math.

My current setup for Last Stand:

<set name = "Slug" BaseSet="Standard-COR">
<ammo>Steel Bullet</ammo>
<head>Anwig Salade</head>
<body>Loki's Kaftan</body>
<legs>Navarch's Cullotes +2</legs>
<neck>Light Gorget</neck>
<lear>Altdorf's Earring</lear>
<rear>Wilhelm's Earring</rear>
<hands>Schutzen Mittens</hands>
<rear>Hecate's Earring</rear>
<rring>Stormsoul Ring</rring>
<lring>Stormsoul Ring</lring>
<waist>Light Belt</waist>
<back>Amemet Mantle +1</back>
<feet>Nvrch. Bottes +2</feet>
</set>

[Darkmagi]

First set is recommended, but I question using Love Torque, unless it's bumping your base damage? I'd assume use Rancor Collar.

H2H is the only weapon that has skill based damage tiers. Rancor collar yes.

[dasva]

COR and Last Stand: AKP head with AGI and WS Damage, STR WS Acc or AF3+2? I've been gone a while and never really bothered with the math.

My current setup for Last Stand:

<set name = "Slug" BaseSet="Standard-COR">
<ammo>Steel Bullet</ammo>
<head>Anwig Salade</head>
<body>Loki's Kaftan</body>
<legs>Navarch's Cullotes +2</legs>
<neck>Light Gorget</neck>
<lear>Altdorf's Earring</lear>
<rear>Wilhelm's Earring</rear>
<hands>Schutzen Mittens</hands>
<rear>Hecate's Earring</rear>
<rring>Stormsoul Ring</rring>
<lring>Stormsoul Ring</lring>
<waist>Light Belt</waist>
<back>Amemet Mantle +1</back>
<feet>Nvrch. Bottes +2</feet>
</set>

tbh not sure what you fight and what your ws acc will be like partly cause I do on rng and not sure what buffs, food, mobs you be fighting. But of those 3 I'd say first. What I'd reccomend instead for your head is a nyzle peice. Even if you can't get Thaumas Hat the lower tiers are still awesome. Also there is Oce. Headpiece +1 till then.

Theres a few better bodies, in no particular order: Khepri Jacket (and NQ), Tessera Saio, Kudzu Aketon, Gunman Gambison

Alruna's Gloves, fowler +1, Also you have a 2nd rear listed instead of legs lol. Ambusher or nyzle stuff in there.

A couple more peices could probably go in there if your ratt is fine but it probably isn't lol

[noodles355]

Rancor collar yes.

Nefarious Collar yes (And Rancorous Mantle).

[Ranth]

Enif Manopolas or Murzim Manopolas? Assuming Murzim is the better way to go with this, since they have almost identical stats and you lose 5 acc for critical hit damage +.

[Kamil]

DA +1 and STP +5 Adaberk or AF3+2 body? For WAR TP.