What's Better?

[Marcicus]

Thaumas Nails vs Assassin's Poulaines +2 for THF TP?

[chichicha]

Thaumas Nails vs Assassin's Poulaines +2 for THF TP?

In my opinion, if you have other gears at triple attack+ , relic+2 feet > thaumas feet for TP.

My TP set, triple attack +16% with 2 empry+2 gears. Which is actually making my DoT significantly raised to what I like in any event.

Not sure mandau double attack dmg stack with empry set proc.
I tested in abyssea, my normal hits raise to 800-1000 occasionally when both proc ?! I guessed.

[Marcicus]

just have thaumas coat and epona's ring for TA gear in my TP build.

[Dotsudoku]

Every time I've entered different mobs into the spreadsheet, I've never seen AF2+2 lose.

[pancakesandsex]

Thaumas Nails vs Assassin's Poulaines +2 for THF TP?

AF3+2/agasaya or better/brutal/suppa
Thaumas/AF3+2/Epona/Rajas
Atheling or better/Twilight/Thaumas/Thaumas

[Classikmage]

How does Oneiros Helm (DEX +13, DA -3%, TA -3%, Critical Hit Damage +3%) compare to Ocelomeh Headpiece +1 (DEX +13, AGI +13) for unstacked Evisceration in Abyssea?

I guess it would come down to, how does DA -3%, TA -3% compare to Critical Hit Damage +3%.

Any math wizards that could hook me up with some numbers?

[Toth]

Oops, posted on wrong thread.

Okay finally got 5/5 Thaumas. So for PUP weaponskills:

4/4 Thamuas + toci harness
4/4 Thaumas + tessera Saio
Or 5/5 Thaumas

SP is 6 hit, modded by STR and VIT
Victory smite is of course all STR

Tessaro offers more attack but Toci offers 3 DA and less attack.

[Mercilessturtle]

For pummel 5/5, for smite mustela or myrmex gloves and the rest thaumas.

[Toth]

For pummel 5/5, for smite mustela or myrmex gloves and the rest thaumas.

I see where you are going with this. May I ask why use the full set when the loss of toci or tessera means a drop of 8 STR and about 15-20 attack? Is the TA, and QA THAT powerful to make up the loss in damage modifiers?

[Mercilessturtle]

Toci/tessera are pretty much even with each other, and very close to thaumas. Thaumas wins slightly if you don't need the attack, either of the others win slightly if you do. It can also be worth changing out thaumas gloves if your ddex is too low (or too high) for the dex on them to help your crit rate. I generally assume dynamis type trash mobs when figuring pup gear.

[vagus]

Is Phorcys body if the 7% damage only for the first hit? If so, should I be wearing another piece for Upheavel?

[Taint]

Is Phorcys body if the 7% damage only for the first hit? If so, should I be wearing another piece for Upheavel?

Valk body for Upheaval.

Ares and Twilight should be solid as well.

[grevenilvec75]

ares/twilight better than phorcys?

or is it:

valk > phorcys > ares|twilight?

[Radec]

Ares|Twi should be better than Phorcys, unless the %attack is a big deal in your situation.

~12vit is ~10 increase to total D, STR's are pretty similar between all 3 bodies, not enough to throw napkin math off badly.

Looking at, at best, D158 on Brav99, +~20 fSTR, +~(150VIT*0.85)WSC, all before body.

~D305 - +10 to that is a 3.2% increase, applies to all hits.

Phorcys is a 7% increase to first hit, of at least 4. 7/4 = 1.75% overall. If you get a DA, 1.4% overall - vit will apply to the DA, so other bodies remain unchanged.

[grevenilvec75]

Well since I dont have ares, and not spending 50m on valk, would it go something like:

Twilight > Phorcys > Shadow? (nq valk)

Also in which situations do you think phorcy's atk would make a difference?

EDIT: are you considering the set bonus on phorcys?

for the record minus body i'm WSing in

141 STR
152 VIT
667 ATK

with no buffs/food

and phorcys adds another 49 atk (counting the STR bonus) +19 STR and +3 VIt

[Taint]

Well since I dont have ares, and not spending 50m on valk, would it go something like:

Twilight > Phorcys > Shadow? (nq valk)

Also in which situations do you think phorcy's atk would make a difference?

EDIT: are you considering the set bonus on phorcys?

for the record minus body i'm WSing in

141 STR
152 VIT
667 ATK

with no buffs/food

and phorcys adds another 49 atk (counting the STR bonus) +19 STR and +3 VIt

Valk (3ta) > Shadow (2ta) > Twilight > Phorcys (2 piece set bonus)

On "Qilin" on the spread sheet I had Phorcys beating Twilight but every other Senario favored twilight. Pbody was always ahead.

[Kurp]

Terrasoul or Spiral for Upheaval?

[pancakesandsex]

Valk (3ta) > Shadow (2ta) > Twilight > Phorcys (2 piece set bonus)

On "Qilin" on the spread sheet I had Phorcys beating Twilight but every other Senario favored twilight. Pbody was always ahead.

Can you post the rest of your sets / food / buffs?

[Taint]

Can you post the rest of your sets / food / buffs?

This is what I used:

Gear:

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TP Set 1	
Slot	Gear
Weapon	Ukonvasara (99)
Grip	Pole Grip
Ammo	Ravager
Head	Phorcys
Neck	Rancor
Earring	Brutal
Earring	Ghillie+1
Body	Armadaberk
Hands	Ravager +2
Ring	Rajas
Ring	Tyrant
Back	Atheling
Waist	Bullwhip
Legs	Ravager +2
Feet	Ravager +2
Set Bonus	
	
Total	
	
	
WS Set 1	
Slot	Gear
Weapon	Ukonvasara (99)
Grip	Pole Grip
Ammo	Ravager
Head	Ravager +2
Neck	Apathy
Earring	Brutal
Earring	Moonshade AttTP
Body	Phorcys
Hands	Phorcys
Ring	Spiral
Ring	VIT RING
Back	Atheling
Waist	Warwolf
Legs	Warrior +2
Feet	Dilaram

Buffs:

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Buffs	
Haste	1
March 1	0
March 2	0
Hasso	1
Haste Samba (5% if /dnc)	0
Embrava	1
	
Berserk	1
Aggressor	1
Blood Rage	0
Warcry	0
Restraint	1
	
Chaos Roll	0
Chaos Roll Percentage:	19%
Sam Roll	0
Sam Roll Amount:	24
Tactician's Roll	0
Tact. Roll Amount:	4
Adloquium	0
	
Stalwart's	0
	
Mighty Strikes	0
	
TP Adjustments	
Over-TP Rnds:	0.5
Save TP:	0
Minimum WS TP	100
Other TP Gain/Loss	0

Mobs:

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Mobs	Level	Defense	Evasion	Agi	Vit
Ig	120	500	530	120	120
Dynamis DC	96	435	404	90	85
Bukhis	101	560	430	100	110
Pil	110	560	470	110	115
Qilin	110	560	485	120	120

[Toth]

BTW for the PUP question, I was planning to use said skills on higher level VW mobs and Nyzul Isle. Not sure that would make a difference. I am also planning on using red / yellow buns for food.