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  1. #1461
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdkuser
    people keep asking this but the best in most cases is to use rancorous mantle, light gorget and light belt, even if accuracy is not needed.
    I keep seeing you say this, and still can't figure out why.

    Even if the dex from Wanion does nothing (eg: dDex going from +21 to +29), even if attack is capped, and even if fStr is capped, I still see Wanion beating Light Belt at Vere 90, and tie (ie: within 5 points of each other) at Vere 99 (with Impetus down; with Impetus up, Wanion starts to pull ahead again). In any situation where the above restrictions do -not- apply, then Wanion clearly wins. This is with the standard +4 WSC, not the fractional chance at +5 WSC.

    The fTP of an elemental belt is a fixed addition to the first hit. That addition to the first hit will definitely have more value than +4 WSC to the first hit would, but +4 WSC to each of the remaining hits is a greater percentage increase to those hits than the fTP is to the first hit. Even without counting any DA/TA procs, the overall weighted average appears to be in WSC's favor.

    The only time Wanion doesn't seem to win is when accuracy matters, and in that case Anguinus is probably the best option anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoopooscooper View Post
    Question for White Mage curing:

    43% potency w/ AF3+2 body.
    Capped potency w/ Heka's body.
    It's really close at that point. I worked it out on cure 4 without the 17 MND from the heka and EAF +2 wins (just) but not sure how much the MND is going to push things up on Cure V and VI but it's all very close. If you can push your cure potency up higher without touching the body slot it really makes a difference. Assuming Staff (24%), Cap (10%), Cape (4%) and serpentes (5%) adding in Orison and Roundel earrings would cap you out.

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    My first ever BG post, I've lurked for a long long time.

    Should I be using Argute Gown +2 + Scholar's M.board to quickly charge Sublimation or Heka's Kalasiris + Nefer Khat to maintain more refresh since I can use that right away?

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    Equal amounts of refresh beats sublimation every time, so nefer set. Savant earring and maybe the weapon are the only sublimation pieces worth using.

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    WAR/SAM on clearing NNI mobs faster
    6 hit(17stp from gear) @ 24% haste
    7 hit(9stp from gear) @ 26% haste

    Ravagers+2 vs Timarli Body

  6. #1466
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    Equal amounts of refresh beats sublimation every time, so nefer set. Savant earring and maybe the weapon are the only sublimation pieces worth using.
    I guess if you wanted to be a perfectionist you could use both (assuming your inventory can handle it), since Sublimation is saving up a huge chunk of MP to deal out all at once and Refresh always ticks slowly. (You're getting the same amount of MP over time but Sublimation's big chunk can serve a different purpose)

    Of course, I can't think of any event in the game that's that MP-intensive, and I'm not sure there ever will be.

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    Probably been asked a bazillion times before but:

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    Until Ares Flanchard+1, War. Cuisses+2 (though "enhances DA" doesn´t apply to WS) unless you need the ATT then Avant Cuisses+1 or Ogier's Breeches if you need the ACC? Any reason to carry Byakko's and Heca Subligar+1 with perfect augments around anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virg View Post
    Probably been asked a bazillion times before but:

    Ukko's
    Until Ares Flanchard+1, War. Cuisses+2 (though "enhances DA" doesn´t apply to WS) unless you need the ATT then Avant Cuisses+1 or Ogier's Breeches if you need the ACC? Any reason to carry Byakko's and Heca Subligar+1 with perfect augments around anymore?


    Byakko's for MS Upheaval.

    Most WARs just carry AF2+2 and Ogier's, but if the dDEX from Heca+1 if high enough they are the best option, but probably not worth having 3 WS legs.

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    Which of the occasionally attacks 2-4 times magian weapons are worth it, and for which jobs? Was eying a Praxidikai for my thf, but not sure if it was useful. FYI, not really planning on empy or anything like that, and probably won't be seeing much endgame daggers either, since i'm playing till FFXIV 2.0 comes out.

    I love multihit weapons, but wouldn't want to get one if it's more worthless than something you'd pick up on the auction house for cheap.

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    Very few of the 2-4 weapons are worthwhile, especially for two-weapon jobs like thief and dancer. The large delay and low damage makes the dps from 2-4 a non-starter. I don't know what you are mainhanding on thief, but one of the two should probably be aluh jambiyah (sp?) and the second a attack/magian weapon if you can handle the fire geode cost. I go aluh/thief's knife but it's a mule and I don't care.

    I *think* there is a job/weapon skill combo that benefits from the 2-4 weapon (possibly scythe?) but I'll let someone more knowledgable speak up on that.

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    <,< 1.3M is rather out of my price range for a dagger... lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psion View Post
    <,< 1.3M is rather out of my price range for a dagger... lol
    If 1.3mil is out of your price range I'm guessing camping all those nms some of which take forever to pop (I'm looking at you Black Triple Star) and killing over 6k xp mobs with this equipped for the 2-4 trial is probably also out of your range. Even if you get people to cleave for you you should be able to make alot more money in that amount of time lol

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    What about the other version, with occassionally attacks twice and 43 damage? is that one worthwhile? I think i could solo the NMs, at which point it's just getting the silver mirrors and riftsand.

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    Not only does it suck and you will waste a bit of time making it and finding the mirrors/sand but they will cost you more than aluh.

    To be more specific almost any OAX is going to suck on a job that is geared and natural has so much ta/da (especially dual wielded since you get all the negatives but only the positive on that one hand). Not even sure if kclub is even usuable for thf

  15. #1475
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    blegh, that sucks. Guess I'll have to go for the elemental trials then. >.<

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    You could make some gil. I'm kinda wondering how 1.3mil is out of your reach. Even with cruor nerf it's pretty easy to make that in less or about the same amount of time any full trial is

  17. #1477
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    new character, played only a month or so, not exactly a lot of options for making gil yet.

  18. #1478
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    Fire trial dagger will cost you about 3.3mil over here in geodes so yeah... could just grab something crappy I guess to use now while you build up your character. No point spending a bunch of gil and time on something that isn't going to be used more than temporarily.

    Also this server there are early things you can do. If you can stand fishing you could make enough for the dagger in like 8 days of fishing lolmoat carp. Which cap for the day in like 2 hours

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    Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!

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    I think the only two OAT weapons worth anything are the Polearm and Greatsword.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    Equal amounts of refresh beats sublimation every time, so nefer set. Savant earring and maybe the weapon are the only sublimation pieces worth using.
    Really? I've been swapping out Wivre Pin and Pluviale for AF1 hat and AF2+2 body with the idea that the quicker subli is finished the better. For example, I get 420MP (roughly, say 420 for simplicity) from subli.
    Over roughly 450 ticks, using subli as soon as charge is complete and as soon as timer is up again:
    Pin/Pluviale: 8 round of subli, 4256 MP recovered. 448 ticks, 9.5000 MP/tick
    Pin/AF2+2: 9 rounds of subli, 4311 MP recovered. 441 ticks, 9.7756 MP/tick
    AF/AF2+2: 10 rounds of subli, 4400 MP recovered. 450 ticks, 9.7778 MP/tick

    It appears to me that the direct swap of Pin to AF (1 Refresh for 1 Sublimation) gives more MP (even if only very slightly), which would suggest that point for point, sublimation would beat refresh no? Or is my math off somewhere?

    Edit: Above assumes that refresh gear (Pin/Plu) is equipped when you're not charging (10 ticks per subli round).

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