What's Better?

[TSFFXI]

Isn't Herja's Fork STP requirements the same as OAT?

I originally thought so, but unless I'm mistaken the rounding for STP requires 1 more STP in the Herja's Fork set (not including +5 from the fork itself).

At first I thought you were crazy for putting Kokou's earring in the stardiver set over a TP bonus Moonshade, but it does seem to pull ahead on Ig-Alima, though not on other things. Whirlwind dirs and Lancer's +2 seem to jump back and forth, but whirlwind seem to be a significant boost over Lancer's on easy stuff. I'm annoyed that I have to do more voidwatch.

Using Hagneia and Lancer's +2 gloves does seem to beat using Ogier's gloves, despite it not being a real 5 hit. Neither Ker's nor Ace's resulted in increases.

Herja's Fork/Pole grip/ /Potestas
Ares's +1/mala/Brutal/Kokou's Earring
Lancer's +2/Ares's +1/Tyrant/Rajas Ring
Rancorous/Goading/Phorcy's/Lancer's +2

Seems to beat all of the sets I've tried so far, but only when angon is down on targets at least as difficult as Pil, or only on Ig-Alima when Angon is up and only when either Embrava or Adloquium is on OR minuets are down OR dia is down.

All in all it seems like an awful lot of work upgrading new gear for a minor gain.

What is Over TP rounds on the spreadsheet? It seems to be a variable that I can set arbitrarily, which has huge implications on average predicted dps.

[noodles355]

I originally thought so, but unless I'm mistaken the rounding for STP requires 1 more STP in the Herja's Fork set (not including +5 from the fork itself).

At first I thought you were crazy for putting Kokou's earring in the stardiver set over a TP bonus Moonshade,

Just forgot about it tbh. I'm not sure if it's needed actually. A better option might be TP Bonus moonshade and Hagneia stone.

That set looks short on STP if you want to use a 2hit WS (only 1stp off, could just throw on hagneia). If you want to go off a 3hit ws, it works. (Like I said, just throw in ogier hands on ws set for 1hit proc WSs). Otherwise, a nice idea.

The difference compared to the one I posted (with ker's) would be: +49Att and 2Str vs 2%DA and 3ish Acc. Yeah, sounds a lot hotter lol.

[TSFFXI]

Oh yeah, I forgot about STP for a bit. I'm basically plugging stuff into the spreadsheets and looking for the biggest numbers, since a lot of my previous assumptions about gear in general have been incorrect so far (as far as the spreadsheet tells me). Hagneia stone over potestas does result in an increase in the ares's +1 set. It still falls behind the other set any time attack is less useful, which isn't that surprising. I'm not sure if the spreadsheet gives the double attack bonus for two pieces of Ares's +1, which could change things.

It's worth noting, however, that the Ares' set only beats the first set I posted (Lancer +2 hands/body, Phorcy's head/legs, bullwhip, potestas) by 0.5 or so DPS anytime it would beat the enif set. In the case that you somehow have a Phos belt +1, the gap is even closer and sometimes shows the opposite.

Unless you need Ares' +1 for another job, or have nothing else to do, it's hardly worth getting for DRG. This is assuming the spreadsheet includes the set bonus.

[Foldypaws]

Unless you need Ares' +1 for another job, or have nothing else to do, it's hardly worth getting for DRG. This is assuming the spreadsheet includes the set bonus.

Spreadsheets include no set bonuses. You have to put them in manually on the set bonus line.

[TSFFXI]

Ah, I overlooked that line. Doesn't change much, though. Weaker than Pil: Use the Enif set. Stronger than Pil while minuet is up: If Angon is up use the Enif set, if Angon is down use the Ares' +1 set. Stronger than Pil with no Minuet: Use the Ares' +1 set.

Really small increase unfortunately, and I wouldn't expect other jobs to adjust their armor when Angon is up or down. DRG should know for certain whether or not it's up, though, so maybe it's not too much of a stretch to have different sets. For example, against pil with dia II and minuets without Angon it's a 1.4% increase. On Ig-Alima, same buffs and debuffs, it's roughly a 5% increase.

If anyone comes up with a better set, let me know!

[noodles355]

Ah, I overlooked that line. Doesn't change much, though. Weaker than Pil: Use the Enif set. Stronger than Pil while minuet is up: If Angon is up use the Enif set, if Angon is down use the Ares' +1 set. Stronger than Pil with no Minuet: Use the Ares' +1 set.

The "Enif set" being the one I posted on the last page (with enif obviously, not kers/aces)? Just double checking.

[TSFFXI]

Yeah, with lancer's +2 hands, etc.

[noodles355]

Starting to wonder about a /drk 5hit after update... wonder if you could make up the 15 stp from /Sam somehow. Maybe the ares+1 set you posted but with phorcys head, hagneia and rose... Though think it would be 1stp short... Hmmm

[Ladydeathstrike]

For resolution feet and legs, bale + 2 or avant +1

[Taint]

I'm basically plugging stuff into the spreadsheets and looking for the biggest numbers.

That really isn't the best way to approach the spreadsheet, esp on the harder mobs. Look at the data tab and see why the item is winning.

Ex: Kokou's beating moonshade on Ig is probably because of Kokou's ACC. (a guess but I bet I'm correct)

It also helps to take the:
Base TP Rnds 5.94 5.96

Line and add it to the gear page so you can see how STP adds or subtracts average rounds to WS. Some of the worksheets already have it on the gear page others you have to add it.

=DATA!D132 would be the command to pull from the Data page to the Gear page.

When figuring STP I normally use the set bonus line and add/subtract STP until I see a big jump is rounds to WS.

[noodles355]

When figuring STP I normally use the set bonus line and add/subtract STP until I see a big jump is rounds to WS.

I've just manually calulated it. Always figured that your average rounds might be 5hits or whatever, but it would be better for your minimum to be 5hits surely? (or 4hits/6hits/whatever)

[Taint]

I've just manually calulated it. Always figured that your average rounds might be 5hits or whatever, but it would be better for your minimum to be 5hits surely? (or 4hits/6hits/whatever)

There are interesting jumps in Rounds per WS but yes most of the time you can just figure the proper xhit and go from there. Occationally you'll get a jump from 4.1 rounds to 3.9 rounds from a light stp tweak.

Typically I build my xhit then add STP 1 at a time in the set column to reach the next jump. Then you can back into the required tier with gear and see if it helps your DPS or not. If its a very small amount of stp you can play with the WS set etc.

[Shadowmeld]

Which would you use for Exenterator solo on thf. Loki's Kaftan or Thaumas Coat. I am talking when you already are using 4/5 Thaumas. The AGI bonus from Coat is only 5, but you get the 9% chance of at least 1 extra swing.

[ssjjfar]

Which would you use for Exenterator solo on thf. Loki's Kaftan or Thaumas Coat. I am talking when you already are using 4/5 Thaumas. The AGI bonus from Coat is only 5, but you get the 9% chance of at least 1 extra swing.

Thaumas. When your comparing the two, all your really getting out of Loki's is 6 extra AGI and some STP. In regards to unstacked only.

[Foldypaws]

9% chance of at least 1 extra swing.

Given that qa excludes ta and da, and ta excludes da, on THF it's only a maximum of ~8.5% chance of at least one extra attack. >_>

[dasva]

Wouldn't it be more since multihits get 2 chances to proc? that said you might hit hit limit with multi procs

[noodles355]

Thaumas beats Loki's.

It also beats Athos's and Kudzu when 5/5. In fact I think the only things it doesn't beat are Khepri and Tessera.

[Obsidian]

Would Usukane Haramaki +1 be any good for Victory Smite with Impetus down? I currently use Tantra Cyclas +2 for Impetus up/down since I lack Toci's.

[mdkuser]

nope. toci's harness. I'll make it cause it's the best or second best evasion body and I always carry the NQ for that.

Edit: if your question is does usukane+1 beat tantra+2 when impetus is down, answer is yes, probably.

[Taint]

nope. toci's harness. I'll make it cause it's the best or second best evasion body and I always carry the NQ for that.

Edit: if your question is does usukane+1 beat tantra+2 when impetus is down, answer is yes, probably.

Usukane
[Body] All Races
DEF:73 STR+12 DEX+12 INT+12 Accuracy+15 Evasion+15 Critical Hit Rate+4% "Store TP"+7 Set: Enhances Haste effect
LV 99 MNK SAM NIN PUP

Tantra
DEF:64 STR+12 VIT+12 Accuracy+15 Attack+15 Augments "Impetus" Enhances "Martial Arts" effect Set: Augments "Kick Attacks"
LV 89 MNK

Toci's
DEF:60 STR+13 DEX+13 Accuracy+10 Attack+10 "Double Attack"+3% Sphere: Haste+2% Set: "Triple Attack"+3%
LV 95 MNK THF BST RNG NIN BLU COR PUP DNC


Usu +4crit +5acc
Toci +1str +1dex +10att +3da

Probably mob/buff dependant. Much closer then I first thought.