Banning Greek Organizations to Stop College Students From Drinking

[Milkster]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...8c772d3611e9c9

PRINCETON, N.J. (AP) — In keeping with a belief that fraternities and sororities promote social exclusiveness, Princeton University says any freshman who joins, rushes or pledges to a Greek organization starting this fall will face suspension.
The Ivy League school has a long-standing policy of not officially recognizing fraternities or sororities, and says any student who solicits the participation of freshmen in Greek organizations this fall will also face suspension.
The administration announced last year it would ban first-year students from Greek activities starting in the fall of 2012. School officials said they hoped that delaying rush would cut down on drinking and keep freshmen from limiting themselves socially to Greek organizations.
Other Ivy League schools have also been cracking down on fraternity and sorority culture.
In March, Yale announced that first-year students would not be allowed to rush starting this fall. Last year, Cornell told fraternities and sororities to find new ways to recruit and initiate members after a student died following an induction ritual involving coerced drinking. The university had banned hazing in 1980 but was finding it was still going on under the guise of pledging.
Princeton left it up to a committee to decide how to enforce compliance, and Princeton President Shirley Tilghman announced this week she had adopted the committee report. It includes a recommendation that leniency be considered for violators who are "extraordinarily forthcoming."
Freshmen who participate in other Greek-sponsored activities could face disciplinary probation — a punishment less severe than suspension.
Princeton has no fraternity or sorority houses on campus. Under its official policy, the school believes that in general the organizations "do not add in positive ways" to the residential experience and "often place an excessive emphasis on alcohol."
But nearly 800 students, or about 15 percent of the student body, still belong to the 12 fraternities and four sororities that serve the school community.
Jake Nebel, a Princeton junior who belongs to Alpha Epsilon Phi and served on the committee that came up with enforcement recommendations, said he believes university officials underestimate the benefits of Greek life.
"Given that a lot of students aren't fully satisfied with social opportunities outside of Greek life, I think it will be bad for freshmen interested in fraternities and sororities not to have that option, not to have the opportunity to connect with upperclassmen," said Nebel, former president of his fraternity.
"I don't think Greek life has the negative effects attributed to it, and I'm not really sure why the ban on freshman rush would really help that. But that's something I think the president needs to assess next year, not only whether it's being complied with but whether it's achieving the goals they set."
Nebel said the university deserves credit for establishing clear rules on what constitutes a violation.

Telling college students to stop drinking and to not exclusively hangout in one group of friends.

[Ragnus]

Yeah. That's gonna work. #WhenHellFreezesOver.

[Lucavi]

Hey, since they tried, no one can accuse them of not trying in the future, when the problem becomes even worse.

Its like voting; you're allowed to complain about the state of the country if you voted, without people giving you shit for it. You actually did your part, even though you could have done more by lobbying/fundraising/ect.

[Milkster]

Hey, since they tried, no one can accuse them of not trying in the future, when the problem becomes even worse.

What problem? The problem of college kids getting shitfaced wasted or only associating with one/limited group of people? If that's the case they would have to force people to associate with someone they've never associated with before, no matter if you're Greek or Independent.

[Mazmaz]

>paying to have friends
>2012

[Xno Kappa]

Probably has more to do with raping then it does little kids drinking.

[Acturus]

Won't work. Speaking from experience, kids will still pledge off the books, and they just won't be reported to the school until they can be allowed to do so.

You're just driving the whole thing underground, which makes it more dangerous for everybody. They need better oversight of their school clubs and organizations program.

[Priran]

have they tried putting them on double secret probation

[Milkster]

>paying to have friends
>2012

Herpderp k.

Probably has more to do with raping then it does little kids drinking.

If you're going to troll at least put at little effort and creativity into it.

[Thunder]

If you're going to troll at least put at little effort and creativity into it.

But he's right.

1997 National Institute of Justice study estimated between one-fifth and one-quarter of women are victims of completed or attempted rape while in college. Goes on to say that at least half and as many as two thirds of those assaults involve alcohol.
^taken from a book published in 2004. It's currently what my college uses for its women sex-pol class

Colleges and universities everywhere are aware of the stupidly high occurrences of party rape in white frats targeting white sororities.

[Dimmauk]

I don't think it's a bad rule. Freshman should spend the first year getting used to the college grind, and not partying and getting wasted. I've seen so many people that couldnt handle college due to socializing.

[Milkster]

But he's right.

1997 National Institute of Justice study estimated between one-fifth and one-quarter of women are victims of completed or attempted rape while in college. Goes on to say that at least half and as many as two thirds of those assaults involve alcohol.
^taken from a book published in 2004. It's currently what my college uses for its women sex-pol class

Colleges and universities everywhere are aware of the stupidly high occurrences of party rape in white frats targeting white sororities.

http://drkathleenyoung.wordpress.com...lege-campuses/

http://www.slc.edu/offices-services/...tatistics.html

These things are what happens when large groups of males get together/live in an area. If that's the case shutdown every male organization that has more than 4 members, i.e. Sports, clubs, roommates, etc. I'm not saying it's excusable but to place the blame on only one group is absurd. I've played collegiate Rugby and Lacrosse and have many friends from the Baseball and Football teams, men are sketchy in general, in large groups.

I don't think it's a bad rule. Freshman should spend the first year getting used to the college grind, and not partying and getting wasted. I've seen so many people that couldnt handle college due to socializing.

Are you saying college freshman should be banned from all events with other people?

[Thunder]

What are the links for?

I don't think your, "these things(rape) is what happens when large groups of males get together/live in an area" is going to get you very far. I can't even try and share my ideas of the matter with you if that's what you're going to preface your argument with :\

Edit: And it isn't absurd to place the blame on white greek life. Your links don't talk about, at all, any correlation with rape on colleges and greek life. I'm telling you that there's a correlation between rape and white frats.

Greek life has issues with rape, nothing else has this problem. Not your rugby team, your lacrosse team, or your buddy's baseball team.

[Dimmauk]

http://drkathleenyoung.wordpress.com...lege-campuses/

http://www.slc.edu/offices-services/...tatistics.html

These things are what happens when large groups of males get together/live in an area. If that's the case shutdown every male organization that has more than 4 members, i.e. Sports, clubs, roommates, etc. I'm not saying it's excusable but to place the blame on only one group is absurd. I've played collegiate Rugby and Lacrosse and have many friends from the Baseball and Football teams, men are sketchy in general, in large groups.


Are you saying college freshman should be banned from all events with other people?

No, just frats and sororities. You know how time consuming and demanding they can be sometimes.

[Aurara]

Milkster people are just dumb. Fraternities and Sororities are fucking fantastic for getting people involved on campuses. If somebody's getting hazed/being forced to do something they dont want to do, they can simply say no and drop the rush/pledge process. Banning greek organizations is fucking stupid because they CAN help people, cause I can vouch that fir me, joining AEPi was one of the best things I did as a freshmen.

[Milkster]

What are the links for?

I don't think your, "these things(rape) is what happens when large groups of males get together/live in an area" is going to get you very far. I can't even try and share my ideas of the matter with you if that's what you're going to preface your argument with :\

What ideas would you like to share, I'll do my best to debate them with you.

Edit: And it isn't absurd to place the blame on white greek life. Your links don't talk about, at all, any correlation with rape on colleges and greek life. I'm telling you that there's a correlation between rape and white frats.

Greek life has issues with rape, nothing else has this problem. Not your rugby team, your lacrosse team, or your buddy's baseball team.

No, rapes that happen by collegiate athletes are more hush-hush because that gives an entire school an awful reputation and not one single organization. I can't name the people on the Duke Lacrosse team that were accused of raping that stripper but I know they went to Duke and played Lacrosse. Doesn't look to good when people donate millions to their alma maters and their institutions get dragged through the mud.

No, just frats and sororities. You know how time consuming and demanding they can be sometimes.

They definitely take up the same amount of time. Practicing for sports, club-sports, going to meetings, doing community service projects for Student Orgs, etc the amount of time you put in (that's mandatory) is the same or probably even less, with Greek Orgs requiring less time a week on average.

Milkster people are just dumb. Fraternities and Sororities are fucking fantastic for getting people involved on campuses. If somebody's getting hazed/being forced to do something they dont want to do, they can simply say no and drop the rush/pledge process. Banning greek organizations is fucking stupid because they CAN help people, cause I can vouch that fir me, joining AEPi was one of the best things I did as a freshmen.

But stereotypes and the news!


Also, Greek Life represents on average 7~12% of a school's population, with a school of, let's say 10k (which is extremely small) That's +/- 700~1200 people. How many people can say they actively associated with even half of that many people their freshman year?

[Lucavi]

What problem? The problem of college kids getting shitfaced wasted or only associating with one/limited group of people? If that's the case they would have to force people to associate with someone they've never associated with before, no matter if you're Greek or Independent.

The problem of terrible press that comes with having your student body pissy drunk in the news and having reports of rape stemming from drunken college parties, not to mention the cases themselves? The problem of having donors and board members not wanting to be associated with said terrible press? The problem of portions of the public wanting colleges to make a more hands-on approach to curbing underage drinking and all of the problems and dangers that go along with it?

Are you even trying?

If you're pro-greek, then of course you see no problem. If you're neutral, you probably see a problem. If you're anti-greek, then of course you see a problem. Princeton isn't the first Ivy League to make a stand, and they won't be the last. Regardless of how you feel about the individual course of action, its easily understandable why they've chosen to take action. To argue otherwise is foolhardy.

[Correction]

That's +/- 700~1200 people. How many people can say they actively associated with even half of that many people their freshman year?

Loose use of the phrase 'associated with' here. If I go to a pep rally for the football people did I associate with 4,000 people in my freshman year?

[Kuya]

Perhaps milkster is just trying to protect his nest of gay sex.

[Lucavi]

According to Milkster, you did, and according to Milkster, you can thank your local Holy Greek Fraternity for organizing and funding the entire event!

Make sure you pledge, Freshman!

@Kuya: I figured you'd be on his side, then, considering how much homosex you are fond of.