Hardcore Discussion

**aurik** · 2012-06-19 04:11

So 1 month 4 days for HC Inferno. And outraced the nerf. Not bad.

**Gokku** · 2012-06-19 04:56

Act 1 Hell mode just straight lazy tanked skelly king on my WD used 2 pots, the hp difference between trash and elites is insane. think the highest elite / rare hp ive seen is just shy of 200k

**Prothescar** · 2012-06-19 05:08

I'd probably be more impressed if he didn't have people feeding him gear

**Shenrien** · 2012-06-19 05:24

When was he feeded gear? I watched him almost every day since the launch of D3 and I never saw it occur.

**Guitarman** · 2012-06-19 05:26

Bashiok confirmed Kripp actually wasn't first.

https://twitter.com/Bashiok/status/215011617245630464

Still an impressive kill, though.

**geno** · 2012-06-19 05:36

Originally Posted by Shenrien

When was he feeded gear? I watched him almost every day since the launch of D3 and I never saw it occur.

Yeah I've been watching him awhile, he's got very little gifted gears. Just farmed a LOT. Even when his closest friends doing the runs with him got gear he wanted, they would sell to each other at a small discount, not give for the most part. And it was all mutual, it's not like he in particular was fed gear.

**Shenrien** · 2012-06-19 05:39

4 people constantly doing goblin runs, if they got something they didn't need they'd link it to the other 3 and if none of them wanted it, they'd sell. I guess that's gear feeding in some peoples eyes when they're all working together.

**geno** · 2012-06-19 05:58

They would not just link them and see if anyone wanted it, they sold the gear to each other, usually for pretty close to what the item was worth. The only exceptions were cheaper gear that wasn't worth as much (usually mf gear) or starter gear to help people who had just lost a character. But pretty much none of that went into their progression, and it added up to pretty much nothing.

I don't know how that could ever be considered feeding gear, that would be like saying buying and selling gear on the AH is feeding, lol. They would discount the stuff a bit to each other, but not by much from what I saw, rarely more then the 15% saved by trading anyways.

The only straight up gear gifting I saw was in between the two actual people progressing (Kripp and Krippi), and that is not exactly feeding, lol.

**Prothescar** · 2012-06-19 06:20

Perhaps I worded it poorly, I'm simply not hugely impressed by it, especially since a majority of what he did was run in circles while his wizard friend kicked Diablo's ass.

**Plow** · 2012-06-19 06:27

I didn't watch the fight but uh... that's kind of the idea with tanking in this game?

I'm curious, have you done act 2+ inferno? And do you play hc at all?

**Prothescar** · 2012-06-19 06:30

Yes, and I fail to see how it makes it more impressive. Again, it's just me, feel free to be impressed by whatever you want, but I don't personally find killing goblins and then running in circles to be an impressive feat of gaming excellence like it's being made out to be.

**Plow** · 2012-06-19 06:40

What other methods would you have suggested? I'm pretty sure nobody got prepared for inferno diablo by doing 5 stack azmo runs just yet.

**Prothescar** · 2012-06-19 06:46

Not suggesting that by any means, just supplying my own opinion of it all. I'm well aware that I'm in the minority on it, and certainly not suggesting that it wasn't an entirely useless feat. I just don't feel that it's quite deserving of as much accolade as I've been seeing.

**Plow** · 2012-06-19 06:51

ehh 30k people watching out of what like 5-6m playing now? I don't think anyone's saying it's illidan in blues or whatever level accomplishment, but getting it done this fast, and in such a rush right before a nerf is pretty damn cool, even if it wasn't the first.

the fact that the character/account was on a stream for pretty much the entirety of its existence is a big reason it's getting so much attention

**Tajin** · 2012-06-19 06:57

Originally Posted by Enkidu

Krippi was pretty much necessary for the fight, probably could have got the world first by himself if he wanted too.

Lol no way he couldve solo all of that

**geno** · 2012-06-19 07:28

I think Krippi probably could have solo'd it if he had gotten lucky enough. He basically did solo it on softcore with a worse character before Kripp brought up just doing it together. Plenty of wizards have done it before on softcore, no reason he couldn't with the gear he had. Kripp might have been able to solo it as well though, he was doing okay solo and that was with a lot worse gear.

As for whether or not it was impressive... really? First of all, I don't even know what you are talking about with the running in circles thing. He straight tanked it most of the fight, the only running he did was when he would have died if he didn't run (ground fireballs, clones). Would that have been more impressive, standing still in a fireball, lol? Krippi definitely did more of the damage, but Kripp tanked more of his attacks, that's what class roles are. And to claim that's all that they did in that fight is pretty dismissive too, they were keeping tabs on pretty much all of his attacks in order, stunning problem skills, jumping in for each other at bad times, and all this without really being able to make a mistake (or at least 2 in a row).

I feel like you are under-appreciating what goes into hardcore play. Consistency, caution, and preparation are just so important for a successful hardcore player and that entire day of streaming showed just how good those two are at that aspect of the game. Weeks of prep work, lots of softcore practice and experimentation, and extremely cautious play went into that kill and the end result looking rather clean and doable is a result of that, not a symptom of it being an easy task. It may have looked easy enough to do on its own (and it is, there are plenty of people who have done that fight in similar gear cleanly on softcore after all), but there is a reason they are pretty much the only two that have been able to do it on hardcore (at least publicly).

**aurik** · 2012-06-19 08:02

It was definitely a team effort. Kripp wouldn't have been able to do A3 without Krippi for SURE, and some fights ie Rakanoth, Istaku, were definitely far easier soloed by barb.

I'm honestly surprised that this isn't the first HC clear, because nobody else has publicized such a thing. You'd think even if it was some chinese progressing that some screenshots would leak out on some asian message board showing the achievement.

**Iku** · 2012-06-19 09:45

Bashiok is just being vague about not being the first HC clear. If someone else cleared Inferno HC, it would pop up on other forums already.

**Eanae** · 2012-06-19 10:12

Not everyone is out to brag about their epenis.

**Fireal** · 2012-06-19 10:42

Yay for progamers beating diablo.

Neways, I want an AH app for my phone :/

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