Hardcore Discussion

**Roranora** · 2012-06-25 10:17

not doing much vs those spiderlings ;/ need some beast monk/barb front line holding them (mostly) still. Eliminate the Fast and the Molten

**Syntex** · 2012-06-25 14:57

Killed SK with 5 stack.

Nothing good :/

I'm as far as I want to go right now and will prolly run SK a lot to gear up. 49k hp 5k dps and 450 all resist. Need lots more!

**r4ptur3** · 2012-06-25 15:38

gah sorry to hear that aurik/wottles ...

me and Euph made it to the courtyard, but an angry pack of chargers with vortex/arcane/molten/waller decided to stop us. made it out with some close calls. our method for spider cavern was to mark and clear kite paths, then lure uniques to the designated areas. some of those mobs were nuts. I hate close quarters.

**miokomioko** · 2012-06-25 16:50

God, close-quarters with something retarded like Waller + Arcane + Desecrator makes me want to just throw my hands up and walk away.

**arus2001** · 2012-06-25 17:16

Yeah, I've said it before, but Waller mobs are a lot more aggressive with walls post-patch.

**miokomioko** · 2012-06-25 18:11

They got a whole hell of a lot smarter with their walls. It's actually semi-difficult to get the away from even them... and that's before you consider mortar bombs, arcane traps, and desecration shit (and whatever other mobs are simultaneously up your ass).

**Syntex** · 2012-06-25 19:21

Leap = Counter to wallers. Use only when you need to get away.

Problem solved! :D

**Roranora** · 2012-06-25 20:00

hc players are funny people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pZmezmqgbA

**Syntex** · 2012-06-25 20:31

I'm on a fucking roll tonight! Goodshit all around and I'm not even killing things past SK.

Here is what I found...

Spoiler: show

Also killing stupid mod shit with ease even tho I don't outgear it.

Molten knockback frozen desecrater? No problem

Come watch me stream! :D

http://www.twitch.tv/meggidox#

**Syntex** · 2012-06-25 23:59

What the flying fuck, why can't I find this shit in SC?

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...nshot041-1.jpg

**Oxyminus** · 2012-06-26 01:34

Because you weren't meant to play SC!

Slowly but surely getting my Wiz back to where it was before my DC death. Hit lvl 45 tonight, and killed NM Ghom. Been curb stomping almost everything.

I've been running around with a new build I'm trying out http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...YSO!bXf!aYaZZZ

It's effective, and very satisfying. Run into a pack, nova them or use skin, mow them down with orbs, clean up whatever's left with electrocute. Though, I have a feeling it might not work as well in NM A4 and then in Hell, but it's a fun build right now!

**Roranora** · 2012-06-26 07:32

str/vit/res all/LoH/socket.......................................... wow congrats!

**r4ptur3** · 2012-06-26 11:43

thems' some pretty shiny dorps!

I found that (as a monk) using inner sanctuary when you get walled forces all the mobs to the other side of the pen so they can't hit you. both sanctuary and the walls fade at about the same time. it looks like blizz changed walls from random spawn/spawn on the mob to build a pen around fleeing players instead. if you stay close to the mobbies the walls seem to be a little more random.

**Roranora** · 2012-06-26 12:12

Mobs definitely have distinct offensive / defensive wall uses. I know mean demons are mean, but if you can take it to them, you'll see them 'waste' their waller cooldown putting up some slash that blocks your arrows/magic missile/whatever. Then they won't have it so readily available for the offensive, pin-you-in-while-backing-away use.

**miokomioko** · 2012-06-26 12:17

Isn't just as simple as:

- Champions make a "|_|" wall in the direction they are currently facing while their minions don't make any walls.

- Elite packs of 3~4 each make single "|" walls perpendicular to the direction they are currently facing.

Thus, if you're closer, they are more likely to be facing different directions (as they surround you), making their walls all angled and intersecting...

I've had a few very close calls because of a pack of wallers' walls all intersecting and getting me caught inside the walls themselves or in the tiny resulting triangle of space in between... While, of course, sitting right on a Desecration spot.

(correct me if I'm wrong)

**Roranora** · 2012-06-26 12:25

Whether champion or rare, I see the same DIAGONAL I BLOCK UUU uses vs a DH/Wiz or even a Barb with fury pumping Hammer Throws...

Whether champion or rare pack, I see the same |_| that blocks your Evasive Fire backlip or Vault away. (walking away too)

I dunno either, mio~

**r4ptur3** · 2012-06-26 14:42

yeah i mean its not cut and dry for sure, but I did notice while trying to flee I got a ton of |_| shapes vs. the usual grabage heap of walls. I also noticed if you and your partner attack at great distance from opposing sides it helps to confuse the waller. even if you get |_|'d in, there is a good chance the mob will disengage and attack your opponent (who is in the clear).

bottom line: blizz amped wallers for sure.

**Roranora** · 2012-06-26 15:29

yeah that's a good way to attack the waller affix

**euph** · 2012-06-27 00:56

rapture and I took out inferno butcher tonight. Got the under 2 minutes achievement too! Pretty excited. Inferno Act2 bees hit for 4k per bee

**miokomioko** · 2012-06-27 01:42

Fuck those bees.

I thought I could pull a cool move in Act 2 on those by stacking buttloads of Life, and when there's a bunch of bees floating towards me, using Serenity - Reap What Is Sown and purposefully run through them all and then straight into a pack of mobs.

So far the damage from Serenity - Reap What Is Sown is pretty fucking garbage, even when I do that. Is it that a player's max life just can't compare to a mob's life later in the game and that's why their health bars barely move?

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