U.S. Military Taught Officers: Use ‘Hiroshima’ Tactics for ‘Total War’ on Islam

[Kuya]

And even in the case of Pakistan, their intent isn't to grow terrorists against the US. Their concern is and has always been India. The US is essentially just caught in the middle, and ME governments have merely proven incapable of controlling their proxies.

[Xno Kappa]

Last class I just finished had a few Saudi Arabian soldiers and national guardsmen cross training with us, one of the captains from their national guard also happened to be a prince. Dude was a boss, would buy everyone's drinks all night long, rented cars for those in the class who didn't bring their own, and just generally wanted everyone to have a good time all the time. When we'd go out to the bar or club the dude would even have his own bodyguard and assistant making sure everyone was okay. US-SA relations are just fine from my personal experience with them, both sides genuinely wanted to get to know one another on a friendly level.

Cool tip I didn't know, their National Guardsmen are apparently nothing like our guardsmen. They're jobs are to guard the royal family and are generally considered more prestigious then their army.

[Stanislaw]

Way to respond to a single, ignorant, misguided statement with another ignorant misguided statement.

I did say 'some'. There are always a few bad apples everywhere.

>>japanese person complaining about insensitivity over a tragedy

lol

If you're referring to the the atrocities the Japanese military did during WWII, right, the entire Japanese population, even to this day, is responsible for it all. /sarcasm

A tragedy does not justify a different tragedy. And it's not like the American military were total saints throughout the war, either. But I do agree that it was necessary to end the war.

Again, I'm not labeling the entire American population as racist bigots that hate Muslims that they want to wipe them off the face of the Earth. Just saying some people like that do exist.

[Xno Kappa]

Again, I'm not labeling the entire American population as racist bigots that hate Muslims that they want to wipe them off the face of the Earth.

No not at all, you just a made a thread to sensationalize the actions of a handful of people to purposely mislead everyone into thinking it was standard military training doctrine.

[Xno Kappa]

Nice edit by the way.

[Stanislaw]

No not at all, you just a made a thread to sensationalize the actions of a handful of people to purposely mislead everyone into thinking it was standard military training doctrine.

Don't shoot the messenger? If anything, it's the original article that's sensationalizing the actions of a few. By no means am I endorsing this fully.

Heck, if I'm guilty of this, then almost every single thread starter in this forum is guilty of the same thing.

Nice edit by the way.

Yeah sorry, I tend to always do edits after I post something because of frequent afterthoughts.

[Churchill]

You posted facts and conjecture.

Saudi Arabia knows the money funding terrorism comes from their country, Saudi Arabia knows training occurs on their soil, Saudi Arabia facilitates both of these when convenient or necessary. I said they fund, facilitate, and incubate terrorism. That neither implies that they direct it at the United States or support acts of terror against the United States.

Correction hit one point semi on the head, that being that KSA is a large proponent of Wahhabism. This is significant if only for the fact that it's a very useful tool to control poor people in Islamic countries (read: most of the population). KSA and other Islamic countries can't change this if they wanted to, it comes down to Pakistans dilemma of "okay, you can come nab important guys but tell us after the fact and we'll demonize you anyway". In addition to that, KSA recruits for people to send the world over, some to AF, some IZ, some South America, Islamic Magreb, some to the Levant, some to Europe, some to Indonesia. KSA also hosts train the trainer courses, whose graduates go to the previously mentioned locations and train people in the field for whatever it is they learned.

Most importantly though, KSA has the money. This money is sent in such significant amounts it would be unbelievable. Muj in IZ used to steal oil trucks to fund operations, those were like 1-5M a truck. That's a piss in the bucket compared to KSA donations.

We've already proven that if you cut off the money you stop insurgency/terrorist/freedom fighters/whatever you want to call it. In that vein, yes, a well thought out operation to target camps/facilitators (money men) in one night would be a hell of a lot better used of tax payer money than 10 years in IZ/AF.

If you want to talk about easy to find information, concluding that the last interaction KSA had with "terrorist" groups was during the Russo-Afghan war is naive at best, and detestable at worst. KSA's involvement isn't a secret. We don't mess with KSA because we want oil, there is no magical reserve that can sustain the US that we can get domestically. We went to Afghanistan for whatever fucking reason, who knows, we went to IZ for GWII and both of those were disastrous, though IZ was recovered and a lot of lessons were learned. (At the expense of hundreds of thousands of lives)


As far as Pakistan creating more terrorists, eh. It's more like everyone from AF goes to school there and instead of learning how to read or write most Madrassa's teach Wahhabist beliefs and all the schools let out at the beginning of poppy season which is why that's always the worst fighting for US folks. Add on top of that the fact that Afghanistan and Tribal Pakistan are just that, tribal cultures, ruled by warlords, etc. Afghanistan's most violent tribe, the Waziri's, is also a Pakistan tribe and it's where Baitullah and Hakimullah Mehsoud came from (Pakistani Taliban leaders, bombed the Indian and Pakistani shits) - they act due to wanting to piss off the Pakistani government though, it has a lot more to do with them feeling PK betrays Muslims by helping the US than any sort of true terrorist intentions. That can be said for most AF/PK groups though, they don't really have grand aspirations they're content keeping their shit local.

[Kuya]

They don't direct or support terrorism aimed at the United States? Okay.

[Acevalefor]

No, The KSA is a GWII and will always be strictly a BYOB FYOR country that never supports WMDs and GOP........

[Churchill]

country code acronyms r tuff

[Yugl]

Kappa Sigma Alpha
GuildWarsII
Build Your Own Body
For Your Own Rockin'
Women Makin' Dollars
Gays Of Pride

There ya go.

[Acevalefor]

I apologize for that. I had to do it though. I know what each one of those acronyms meant, but every time I read one, I just thought of a movie where the guy was bullshitting his way past security by using a bunch of random acronyms. Made me laugh.

[Nephlite]

I wonder if this coincides with that one theory that religion was designed by one founding organization that rules the world behind the scenes while puppet leaders are implanted in to key positions in to the world to facilitate the eventual take over of the world and rebuilding of god.

Oh wait that was Xenogears.

Or is it?!

Anyways, I think it's funny when a lot of info on stuff like this suddenly becomes "declassified" or "released" to the public when all it is are links to other places that someone copied somewhere else that was copied off of the flash drive hidden in the heel of a shoe. Doesn't anyone know the United States Military doesn't have a databank of information and that everything is on a hard copy piece of paper being stacked in Roswell New Mexico next to the Ark? Any time I've ever accessed a terminal, there's never been anything more than General Orders and folders/links to thousands upon thousands of templates for thousands of different documents you have to print out and sign before it becomes an official document. The real secret sensitive stuff will never go on a terminal. Can't beat the security of lock and key under armed guard. Too many loopholes and backdoors in a computer system to be exploited.

Or it's just me thinking of another conspiracy theory to throw off everyone. In which case I reply with I'm tired right now and haven't slept in a week. Take THAT terrorism!

[Kuya]

I wonder if this coincides with that one theory that religion was designed by one founding organization that rules the world behind the scenes while puppet leaders are implanted in to key positions in to the world to facilitate the eventual take over of the world and rebuilding of god.

Oh wait that was Xenogears.

Or is it?!

Anyways, I think it's funny when a lot of info on stuff like this suddenly becomes "declassified" or "released" to the public when all it is are links to other places that someone copied somewhere else that was copied off of the flash drive hidden in the heel of a shoe. Doesn't anyone know the United States Military doesn't have a databank of information and that everything is on a hard copy piece of paper being stacked in Roswell New Mexico next to the Ark? Any time I've ever accessed a terminal, there's never been anything more than General Orders and folders/links to thousands upon thousands of templates for thousands of different documents you have to print out and sign before it becomes an official document. The real secret sensitive stuff will never go on a terminal. Can't beat the security of lock and key under armed guard. Too many loopholes and backdoors in a computer system to be exploited.

Or it's just me thinking of another conspiracy theory to throw off everyone. In which case I reply with I'm tired right now and haven't slept in a week. Take THAT terrorism!

What?

[Xno Kappa]

Drunk/High post?