Hey Sera

[Day]

Lol at the idea that he doesn't interact anywhere else in the entire world but ok

same shit different stall

[Brill Weave]

My other car is an ovary bumper sticker?

[Conrad]

I just lost a big post I was making and I don't feel like retyping it. Anyway, points:

- I don't have any sort of guilt. I come from a position that affords me less scrutiny in society. I've always felt that it is my obligation from a position of power to work towards equal rights for everyone, however I can.
- This woman was wrong, I don't disagree with you. Using her as an example to show that all women are lying bitches is also wrong. Men and women should not be at odds with each other. Men should not have to fear being accused of rape by women. Women should not have to fear rape from men.
- I don't think many women have a lot to gain from claiming rape falsely, given the way that they are treated by everyone else for being raped. It is a problem, but I really doubt the problem is as prevalent as to say you should sign a contract with every sexual partner you have. I did a quick search for statistics and didn't find anything substantial, but I'm also at work. I can try and do a more comprehensive search later when I have time.
- I continue to educate myself about social issues, including through this very conversation. I don't appreciate being called a "fembot" or a blind follower of the matriarchal doctrine that more extreme feminists have. I don't make this statement out of malice or resentment, mind you, but name-calling doesn't promote intellectual discourse either.
- I'm not a feminist. I don't identify as a feminist. As I wrote above, I'm for universal equality.

Probably forgetting something, but it's not like I can't bring it up later. I'm really not mad here and would like a discussion rather than being told to sit down and shut up.

[Linliel]

lol @ women that get angry at door openers/holders. i open and then hold the door for anyone entering the same place as me whether they be male, female, ewok, or pet. its fucking common courtesy.

you ever get mad when you need to ride an elevator and some fucking chauvinistic asshole pushes the up button to call the elevator before you are able to push it yourself? GOD. MEN!

I KNOW RIGHT?!

But seriously, the number of odd looks or awkward moments I've had when I've blithely gone to open a door when a (usually older) man has tried to kinda skip ahead and do it for me... I'd be pretty rich if I had a penny for each of them. It's not like I push them out of the way to open the door myself, but if I'm first at a door, I'll open it, dammit! And I'll hold it for anyone coming behind me. It's just polite.

[Day]

don't stress it skirks, someone always trying to keep the good man down. nice guys finish last etc... get used to it. get shit on by everyone including those you are trying to support. fuck it man. that's why this world sucks, everyone cut off their own goddamn nose to spite their face or to make a profit. fucking hate just about everyone.

[Chun Liroy]

I do sympathize with them as well, but here's the difference from my perspective:

While the a murder conviction (let's just narrow this down to death row/life imprisonment) carries a much harsher penalty (Loss of own life) than a rape conviction, the penalties from society are much much harsher, I think. You're life is ruined, and people look down on you for the rest of your life. Now I'm not saying that being a murder convict is easier than a rape convict, but that's the stigma that comes with it. In my view, even after being exonerated from rape, the conviction will still carry with you for the rest of your life, and like I said earlier, in the case of a murder exoneration, the social penalties are less, in my eyes. And while this may not be entirely true (I'm not sure, I have no idea), let's pretend for a second that you are more likely to be falsely convicted of murder, than you are of rape. In this situation, I think males in general will "relate" more with false accusations of rape because of the circumstances of the trial. In a false accusation of rape case it generally goes (correct me if I'm wrong): You had sex with her, she claims rape, your word vs her word (almost always in her favor), not to mention the crime never even happened. In the case of being falsely accused of murder, you have witnesses, you have DNA evidence (sometimes), you have an alibi, and above all else: the crime was committed, and there IS a person that is responsible. Most importantly, the number of females that get convicted of rape (Not to mention almost no social stigma, again it's all aimed at the man ie stop being a pussy etc.) is far lower than females that get convicted of murder to the point where the VAST majority of rape cases, the male is the defendant.

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[Sera]

lol @ women that get angry at door openers/holders. i open and then hold the door for anyone entering the same place as me whether they be male, female, ewok, or pet. its fucking common courtesy.

you ever get mad when you need to ride an elevator and some fucking chauvinistic asshole pushes the up button to call the elevator before you are able to push it yourself? GOD. MEN!

Lol. I love chivalry. I think it makes men feel good about themselves and it makes me feel good about the world. Courtesy is lovely. I love door openers and jacket givers, heavy package carriers and subway seat gifters. But I also recognize that there are ways I as a woman should be courteous to men in return as well. Feminism has gotten so superiority focused and snotty. I don't like it. I don't like when superiority focused, uppity feminist women feed that shit to their husbands, boyfriends, etc -- feel bad about your privilege bullshit. No one can help how they were born. Not me, not you.

[tyven]

there is this rather large man at my office (shockingly enough its not me) and when he is on a crowded elevator and towards the front he never steps off first, he always awkwardly squishes into some corner/other people so the female can get off first and it just makes far slower and weird because everyone is trying to fit around him/get out from under him and its just like BRO I DONT THINK THE WOMEN WILL MIND IF YOU STEP OFF FIRST.

[Demosthenes]

I personally don't think you do what I feel skirk does (however unintentionally.) But we have talked about this. Feminism doesn't mean turning a blind eye to when women are fucking dumb and do silly shit to set themselves back. Let's call a spade a spade here. Doing anything but being absolutely fair is doing a huge disrespect to the women you know who aren't idiots and understand that equality doesn't mean superiority. This woman fucked up in a huge way. People aren't pissed because a woman did it, they're pissed because someone lied about a terrible thing and ruined an innocent person's life for personal gain/jollies/revenge whatever. It's fucked up. Let's not try to take the spotlight off that by going OH THEY'RE ONLY MAD AT HER BECAUSE SHE HAS A VAG GUYS. Um no, we're mad at her because she IS an asshole.

Incorrect a majority of people really only give a shit because it is a woman. If that were not the case we would be swimming in a pool of injustice threads. Yes, that shit is fucked up. Mad fucked up. I didn't see anyone making a Trayvon thread in spam. While what you are saying might apply to you, I speak of people in general. It is subconsciously kind of a "right thing for the wrong reasons" situation if you get what I mean.

[tyven]

Lol. I love chivalry. I think it makes men feel good about themselves and it makes me feel good about the world. Courtesy is lovely. I love door openers and jacket givers, heavy package carriers and subway seat gifters. But I also recognize that there are ways I as a woman should be courteous to men in return as well. Feminism has gotten so superiority focused and snotty. I don't like it. I don't like when superiority focused, uppity feminist women feed that shit to their husbands, boyfriends, etc -- feel bad about your privilege bullshit. No one can help how they were born. Not me, not you.

i always give up the subway seat to a female but that is because i am a lover of women.

[Day]

spoiler: that man is you

[tyven]

aka i hope it will randomly lead to them wanting to ahve sex with me

[Chun Liroy]

- This woman was wrong, I don't disagree with you. Using her as an example to show that all women are lying bitches is also wrong. Men and women should not be at odds with each other. Men should not have to fear being accused of rape by women. Women should not have to fear rape from men..

See, while this is true, it's not a perfect world. Get some perspective. This goes both ways: I shouldn't get called stupid for trying to protect myself. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me once shame on you. 10 year false rape convictions/sentences is not something you do twice.

[Linliel]

I'm happy for people to do stuff for me because they're nice people, not because they feel obligated because I'm a woman. Like when a group of guys will swear, then apologise to me or say something like "there are ladies present" (yes this has happened to me several times). I'll do nice things for others too, not because I feel obligated, but because I genuinely want to help. Like helping the little old ladies next door hang a washing line the other day. Why can't I be chivalrous too?

[Sera]

I just lost a big post I was making and I don't feel like retyping it. Anyway, points:

- I don't have any sort of guilt. I come from a position that affords me less scrutiny in society. I've always felt that it is my obligation from a position of power to work towards equal rights for everyone, however I can.
- This woman was wrong, I don't disagree with you. Using her as an example to show that all women are lying bitches is also wrong. Men and women should not be at odds with each other. Men should not have to fear being accused of rape by women. Women should not have to fear rape from men.
- I don't think many women have a lot to gain from claiming rape falsely, given the way that they are treated by everyone else for being raped. It is a problem, but I really doubt the problem is as prevalent as to say you should sign a contract with every sexual partner you have. I did a quick search for statistics and didn't find anything substantial, but I'm also at work. I can try and do a more comprehensive search later when I have time.
- I continue to educate myself about social issues, including through this very conversation. I don't appreciate being called a "fembot" or a blind follower of the matriarchal doctrine that more extreme feminists have. I don't make this statement out of malice or resentment, mind you, but name-calling doesn't promote intellectual discourse either.
- I'm not a feminist. I don't identify as a feminist. As I wrote above, I'm for universal equality.

Probably forgetting something, but it's not like I can't bring it up later. I'm really not mad here and would like a discussion rather than being told to sit down and shut up.

I said calm down, not shut up, for starters. It is not appropriate to distract from the point that she did a disgusting thing by going "oh people are madder at her because she's a girl!" nah bro, they're not. But this always gets done. The real issue is always glossed over by people who focus on the gender pronouns involved in the issue. I'm asking for objectivity.

[Linliel]

Or, more specifically, why can't people just do nice things for each other?

[Chun Liroy]

I didn't see anyone making a Trayvon thread in spam. .

You think I made this thread for it to have purposeful conversation? lul

[Day]

why can't people just fucking treat everyone like they would themselves. such a stupidly easy concept and no one can fucking do it. people are evil. I've decided it. Matrix was right, we are a shitty virus.

[Demosthenes]

why can't people just fucking treat everyone like they would themselves. such a stupidly easy concept and no one can fucking do it. people are evil. I've decided it. Matrix was right, we are a shitty virus.

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[Conrad]

See, while this is true, it's not a perfect world. Get some perspective. This goes both ways: I shouldn't get called stupid for trying to protect myself. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me once shame on you. 10 year false rape convictions/sentences is not something you do twice.

And that's fair, but consider the consequences for a woman who says she was raped. There's lots of reasons women who are actually victims of sexual abuse don't report it to the police, either. Humiliation, shame, self-loathing, and the fact that people will say she asked for it, is a slut, or somehow deserved it. From my perspective, it doesn't make sense to me that there is some epidemic of women calling rape on men they regret fucking.