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  1. #3141
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    Personal opinion, but for Gladiator and Marauder I'd probably go STR in both. More health is great and all, but if you don't -need- that extra health, I'd rather just be killing faster/generating more threat/enmity.

    edit: But yeah, no idea about endgame and I won't be leveling these at launch. So, my opinion may change depending on how content goes.

    edit2: Also, I think STR boosts block/parry amounts anyways?

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    I think it's hard to say until we see the extent of endgame content. It is definitely nothing more than a tank but it's debatable if VIT will be necessary or if stacking STR for more deeps/enmity will be the way to go for PLD/WAR. From the content we have currently there's little reason for VIT but it'd be silly to write off VIT entirely based on easy leveling dungeons.

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    yo 30vit = 450hp dawg

    that's 1 WS or 4-5 hits on my DRG bro

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    I think VIT will be super important for tanks at end-game. All speculation of course but if 30 VIT = 450 HP like Rocl says then that could make the difference between life or death in a tricky situation. 30 will likely be a low amount for a 50 character too with all the attributes used and gear. I think MRD could benefit more from STR than PLD would but if they're a pure tank class now maybe they'll be better off with VIT too. But how often do you block or parry? If that's going to happen frequently then STR has its use too.

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    I think I'd wait with such speculation until final algorithms are in place?

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    The final algorithm being STR >= 5eva

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephiroth View Post
    I think VIT will be super important for tanks at end-game. All speculation of course but if 30 VIT = 450 HP like Rocl says then that could make the difference between life or death in a tricky situation. 30 will likely be a low amount for a 50 character too with all the attributes used and gear. I think MRD could benefit more from STR than PLD would but if they're a pure tank class now maybe they'll be better off with VIT too. But how often do you block or parry? If that's going to happen frequently then STR has its use too.
    With all the mitigation PLD has VIT would likely be more important for WAR of the two. The problem is SE will likely never balance content around 30 points in VIT, so with a decent group STR will probably always be better. The question is will any fights or mechanics justify lowering your damage/enmity output for an extra safety net or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocl View Post
    You're an awful human being and like Evane said it won't work. You'll start in Limsa because Arcanist and the main story will force you to go to Baderon because he'll be the next step in your initial quest chain. You also can't leave the beginning instance or Ahldskyf will yell at you.
    I already figured out a solution. I am starting in Gridania (I am legacy), and after I exit out of the intro instance at the adventure guild when we start, I am going to immediately ride my coeurl mount to the boat and sail over to Limsa to tag their aetherite and get into the Arcanist guild, then progress from there on out in Gridania. (I want my Arcanist to get all the storyline exp.) This is soley for RP purposes, as I don't like how I get all this praise from Merlwyb in the 1-15 missions before I get sent off. It makes me feel guilty because I am all like "thanks for all the praise but I am ditching you for the elves."

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    I'll be doing the same, but it's primarily because I prefer Papalymo + Yda in the early main quest line. I just wish Kan-E-Senna had a little more personality like the adorable Raubahn + Nanamo duo.

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    Yda, Papalymo, and the moogles make up for it.

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    Is there any word on if there is a level restriction, or do you have to be in a certain part of the story before you can ride your couerl mount? or some such junk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teknique View Post
    Is there any word on if there is a level restriction, or do you have to be in a certain part of the story before you can ride your couerl mount? or some such junk
    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/product/#ceSpecialAnchor
    Collector's Edition Bonuses (just scroll down) > Click More Details (it's not a separate page, so I can't link to it).
    * Players will be able to ride mounts once they have reached level 20 and have obtained a chocobo.
    Sorry, no riding right out of the gate. They're dead-set on not giving any gameplay advantages for any out-of-game reward.

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    I see, thanks for the info. Any ideas what i can do if i never got a preorder code from gamestop for pre ordering because i did that shit way before the bonus existed? ive canceled and redid it once thinking i would get another code but no go.

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    Will there ever be a time where we have enough gear set slots to accommodate all DoW, all DoM, all jobs, all DoH, and all DoL? (That would require 28 slots come release.)

    I've done all DoW/DoM class quests but I'm stuck at 11 slots which seems like a weird number to stop on. I have yet to touch my DoH/DoL class quests though... do those open up more slots?

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    Everytime you unlock a new class you gain a new gear set.

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    the whitest knight u' know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scythiroth View Post
    Everytime you unlock a new class you gain a new gear set.
    So there would only be 19 slots total?

  17. #3157
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    You won't really use classes when you get jobs.

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    So is exp parties an actual thing in this game? By that, I mean, can you just randomly form a group and travel outside to some random zone and kill shit to level up together? I know you can do it in dungeons, but dungeons are so..dull.

    Getting to a camp and having people get slaughtered on the way, pulling links and wiping, all of that made up for a cool experience in FFXI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fren. View Post
    So is exp parties an actual thing in this game? By that, I mean, can you just randomly form a group and travel outside to some random zone and kill shit to level up together? I know you can do it in dungeons, but dungeons are so..dull.

    Getting to a camp and having people get slaughtered on the way, pulling links and wiping, all of that made up for a cool experience in FFXI.
    I don't know, man. If you think running a dungeon is dull, I can't imagine what would be more enjoyable about standing in the same spot killing the same mobs, just outdoors.

    Romanticizing shitty party members not knowing how to keep up sneak/invis or pull sounds like some serious XI nostalgia goggles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Niiro View Post
    You won't really use classes when you get jobs.
    I figure, but I like to cover all my bases when possible. Not to mention, being restricted to one gear slot per class when you have everything at 50 is weakballs if you want your "main" to have a 2~3 sets on top of being able to macro into any of the 18 other classes. I guess I just assumed we would get at least 2 slots per class so each one could easily swap into either of their (eventually) two jobs.

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    I really have no idea why you'd choose an exp party over a dungeon if you had to choose. Dungeons kinda have the added bonus of gear upgrades (unless you have every single piece of gear there I guess) + good exp.

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