Buying a Gun

[Boyiee]

I'm not supporting Linliel, I'm a fan of citizen gun ownership, but you do realize when you say "protection" you mean he'll be using his firearm for injuring or ending the life of another human being, presumably one who is also holding a firearm with the intent (or at least potential) to end the life of another human being.

By all means, I get why people like hunting and sport shooting. But citing someone's who's buying the firearm with no intention of firing this at anything other than a human being or pieces of paper with the intent of practicing to be able to fire it another human being more efficiently does not aid your argument lol.

You do realize I said other things in my post. I stated the vast majority of people use guns for sport and hobby and not for killing/wounding like the other poster seemed to focus on. Afterwards I said don't turn this into a political thread, then I said lets get back to what the OP needs by saying what his purpose is.

[Xno Kappa]

Just start a "Guns are bad m'kay!" thread at the poopdeck so you can all circle jerk your feelings there instead of trying to hijack a legit thread.

[Nephlite]

Just start a "Guns are bad m'kay!" thread at the poopdeck so you can all circle jerk your feelings there instead of trying to hijack a legit thread.

Amen.

Alot of guns people mentioned here are gonna have more than the 10 round mag (aside from the 1911). When I was in the military, I LOVED my M-9. Reliable, light weight, 10+1 round mag, threaded for silencer and great CQC weapon.

My off duty piece is the Glock 23 (.40, compact, light-weight, slim fitting with a blackhawk concealed holster and it holds 6+1), but the captain that leads our section Swears by the Rohrbaugh R-9. It's a 9mm (6+1) aircraft aluminum and stainless steel construction weapon. It weighs 13.5 oz and is about half the size of the standard 9mm (Glock 19 in our department is standard issue). I was thinking about buying one since it's half the cost of the Glock: about $270-$325 for the stealth version which includes a flat black finish and night sights. Some guys I know love the subcompact M-9: 7+1, standard nickle blue finish and a bit fatter than the glock but has the slightly longer barrel for a more concentrated shot.

Like most people said, go to a range and throw some rounds down to get a feel for how everything works. The recoil on the Glock might be too much if you're not used to firing; a lot of people say the Glock is too light for a beginner and it takes a long time to get used to the feel. If this is the case, compensation for recoil with a slightly heavier but just as reliable gun comes in the form of any of the newer generation Sig-Sauers. The P250 is popular as you can buy it in 9mm, .40, .45ACP, comes with a variety of styles and grips, is just a fun ass gun to fire and you can easily throw thousands of rounds down the tube without a jam. It comes in compact (10+1 for 9mm, 7+1 for .40 and .45) and even smaller sub-compact (6+1 9mm, 4+1 .40 and .45) and can be customized with any of the sight options and detachable rail options. A lot of people are making the switch to personal duty carry just for the ease of learning curve and slightly better customization options (a bit more expensive than the Glock though).

Overall, spending a bit more to get a gun you're more comfortable with is going to always be your best choice. Even a puny .22 can kill someone; proficiency is key with any type of weapon training and developing strong muscle memory and shooting for big targets is going to prevail over pot shooting a paper target from 20 yards. Most hand-to-hand confrontations that end in shootings happen within 5 feet of your reactionary gap. Think about that when considering your purchase. All standard issue handguns suffer accuracy and stopping power at distances (that's why they teach the double tap to center mass than the old one to head one to chest now) but if you're (9 times out of 10) going to confront someone with a gun within your reactionary gap (4-6 feet) then why are you training only to hit at 20 yards? Bring that target closer and try to do the same thing from 5 feet. I've seen people hit a target dead center 18 times from 20 yards but can't hit shit at 5 or 3 yards. Now try to hit that same target while standing sideways with one eye closed and both hands on your strong side doing weapon retention.

At close ranges like that, nothing beats the stopping power of a .40 or a .45. Hell a .357 would be ideal, but good luck firing one of those easily without getting some major kick back. I carry Federal Hydra-shok bullets in my duty and off duty piece for maximum stopping power to compensate the different caliber of a 9mm versus a .40. Try a lot of different things and remember: If you have a gun, it doesn't mean you have to use it. But if you do use it, use it for the right reasons. Never neglect your hand-to-hand techniques and always practice your weapon retention techniques regularly.

[Xno Kappa]

Anyone know a good holster for a sig 228? Currently using some generic blackhawk garbage.

[Bardicrune]

Mitch Rosen makes excellent custom-made leather holsters.

[Nephlite]

You can always upgrade with blackhawk. They make a quality Serpa CQC holster that has a level 3 retention rig for cheap if you're trying to conceal. If it's a regular holster for duty then Galco makes decent holsters. I'm using a blackhawk level 3 for my Glock 19 but my concealed rig is a Galco brand inside waistband. It's a level one twist style so I had to build my muscle memory for the extra twist out of my waistband. It's a slim fit so it doesn't ride and I can wear a large t-shirt as opposed to a extra large or 2-x.

[Roranora]

I know very little about guns, but I have learned I will turn to BG when/if I feel like snagging one. It's a skillset that's becoming more and more interesting to me. (to learn to shoot well) Unfortunately, about all I do know is it's a very expensive hobby.

[Silviya]

It doesn't have to be expensive. You can shoot .22 lr all day (500 rounds) for under $20. A you can easily pick up a 10/22 for a couple hundred, probably a lot cheaper if you shop around and don't mind an used rifle.

[jmc]

It doesn't have to be expensive. You can shoot .22 lr all day (500 rounds) for under $20. A you can easily pick up a 10/22 for a couple hundred, probably a lot cheaper if you shop around and don't mind an used rifle.

This ^^

If your just looking to shoot at the range, get a .22 and its not really expensive at all.

[FNH]

Except that it will be too addicting to JUST shoot .22 all day. Inevitably, everyone will want to move up.

[Boyiee]

Except that it will be too addicting to JUST shoot .22 all day. Inevitably, everyone will want to move up.

Pretty much. If you go out with your friends and they have 9/40/45 you'll end up wanting to shoot theirs more than yours.

I got a .40, spent 500-600 on it. The hobby is expensive. I buy 500-1000 rounds of ammo a pop online, which is $170-300. Holsters, accessories, bags, cleaning... there are so many things you buy that the gun ends up being the cheapest part of it all.

[BaneTheBrawler]

That's why I play MTG. Booster packs are 3.75, and the cards don't literally burst into flame when you play them.

I enjoyed shooting targets in boy scouts, though. Maybe some day, when I have money to waste, I'll get a gun and start going to a range.

[bluefan]

I know very little about guns, but I have learned I will turn to BG when/if I feel like snagging one. It's a skillset that's becoming more and more interesting to me. (to learn to shoot well) Unfortunately, about all I do know is it's a very expensive hobby.

You're going to regret saying that when the zombie apocalypse arrives.

This has been your Canadian PSA. Have a nice day.

[Boyiee]

You're going to regret saying that when the zombie apocalypse arrives.

This has been your Canadian PSA. Have a nice day.

Exactly why I'm putting a bid in on (another) 1000 rounds tomorrow.

[Nephlite]

My love of guns started with an M-16. Don't let these guys talk you in to pussyfooting it with a whiffer on your first round. Drop by your local shop and grab yourself a Mossberg or a Remington 870 and some slugs and hit the rifle range. Or do yourself a favor and start out with a .40 Cal handgun like a Glock. That way the fear won't be there when you target shoot because you've already shot something bigger.

[Milkster]

Why would a reject cop wanna be need a gun? Why wouldn't your job give you a list of recommendations for the gun that you should have on the job? This all sounds sketchy and nothing for employment purposes.

[FNH]

My love of guns started with an M-16. Don't let these guys talk you in to pussyfooting it with a whiffer on your first round. Drop by your local shop and grab yourself a Mossberg or a Remington 870 and some slugs and hit the rifle range. Or do yourself a favor and start out with a .40 Cal handgun like a Glock. That way the fear won't be there when you target shoot because you've already shot something bigger.

No. the correct starting spot is a .22. The operation is the same as any other caliber, but you learn to shoot correctly. Starting on a larger caliber develops bad habits, like flinching, that are very hard to break.

[Nephlite]

No. the correct starting spot is a .22. The operation is the same as any other caliber, but you learn to shoot correctly. Starting on a larger caliber develops bad habits, like flinching, that are very hard to break.

If you're a kid and you need to be opened to the world of guns, then yes a .22 is a great way to learn safety and discipline for a gun.

I might have went overboard with a 12 gauge shotgun but habit shooting with a .22 does nothing to curb reflex flinching because, quite frankly, you don't need to with a .22. You want people to flinch and to move their gun around to get comfortable with it so they can gradually move to respecting the gun. A .40 and a .22 shoot very differently, have very different recoil and sound, and weigh different. Get someone used to a .22, then put a .40 in their hand and when they hit the trigger, what happens? They flinch and move the gun around till they get used to it because it will sound different and feel different than what they're used to shooting. So what does it really matter if they use a .22 or a .40 starting? Maybe a 9mm would be better. I would start with a Baretta since it has more moving parts and is a more complicated gun than a Glock. That way you can get used to it and assembly should put you on the right track to working any gun.

[Fairy-Killer]

You guys aren't helping me not buy a gun. I gotta stop checking this thread, lol.

[FNH]

If you're a kid and you need to be opened to the world of guns, then yes a .22 is a great way to learn safety and discipline for a gun.

I might have went overboard with a 12 gauge shotgun but habit shooting with a .22 does nothing to curb reflex flinching because, quite frankly, you don't need to with a .22. You want people to flinch and to move their gun around to get comfortable with it so they can gradually move to respecting the gun. A .40 and a .22 shoot very differently, have very different recoil and sound, and weigh different. Get someone used to a .22, then put a .40 in their hand and when they hit the trigger, what happens? They flinch and move the gun around till they get used to it because it will sound different and feel different than what they're used to shooting. So what does it really matter if they use a .22 or a .40 starting? Maybe a 9mm would be better. I would start with a Baretta since it has more moving parts and is a more complicated gun than a Glock. That way you can get used to it and assembly should put you on the right track to working any gun.

terrible advice. Go into the motorcycle thread and tell them to start on a 750cc 4banger.