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    Wasn't the leg trap thing supposed to stop his speed entirely or was it just his legs? Either way, it didn't work, but on E-2 wasn't Jay being the Flash and saving people for like a year? Maybe a good Jay Flash somehow breached E-2 and couldn't figure out how to get back (Similar to Thawne) so he stayed and Zoom figured out how to steal speed at that point and that's who he has in the iron mask?

    Thawne knew who Jay was so he was probably from his timeline, but then again maybe not cuz he was there to kill Barry's Flash....

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    I think you're really over thinking it. Like, a lot

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    Thawne said he knew jay? Don't have the patience to redownload and skip through that ep. But am curious enough to ask

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Thawne said he knew jay? Don't have the patience to redownload and skip through that ep. But am curious enough to ask
    When Jay's Helm came through the black hole or w/e, he looked at it and said something like "Its time I leave". Hinting that he knew of Jay's Flash but not that he actually knew him


    Speaking of plotholes, where the fuck was Harry Potter gay deaf kid this episode?

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    One more thing that irked me...when he was questioned about creating an after image Zoom says "I'm not that fast"....so both Barry and Reverse were able to do it thus making Barry already faster? I'll chalk it up to just a bad line which led into a worse explanation with the other Jay but....grrrr

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    I'm chalking it up to Zoom just never trying it and thus not thinking it possible.

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    But wasn't the exact line "Even I am not that fast" ? which would imply he tried or knows the theory behind it. Either way.

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    I just assumed making an after image that spans between two earths would be difficult since the portal isn't like some portal from the game, portal - thanks to what we saw from when barry took everyone to E2

    is the show rapidly losing steam for anyone else? It's fast approaching the trickster bomb episode with flash magnet zipping all the bombs out of kid's hands retarded for me

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    I feel like having Zoom as a constant villain for so long is beginning to feel a little drawn out. An entire episode dedicated to Barry trying to be the Flash with no super powers next week is gonna be a chore, I can tell already lol

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    Still better than baddie of the week formula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I just assumed making an after image that spans between two earths would be difficult since the portal isn't like some portal from the game, portal - thanks to what we saw from when barry took everyone to E2

    is the show rapidly losing steam for anyone else? It's fast approaching the trickster bomb episode with flash magnet zipping all the bombs out of kid's hands retarded for me
    That's how I took the "Even I'm not that fast line" - basically it would be extremely implausible for Zoom, regardless of how fast he is, to convincingly stage a murder of his own speed mirage - you're talking about taking the costume off/on (at least the arm portion) and putting his hand through himself, all while neither image actually vibrate like we've seen past speed mirages do.

    Definitely agree with the show losing steam, too. Such a long buildup to obtaining the tech to be fast enough to beat Zoom, and the payoff lasts for maybe 4 minutes before Barry's ENTIRE power is gone? The fuck, guys.

    Also, anyone else find it hilarious that cardboard cutouts of a sociopath's dead parents were enough to rattle Zoom to the point of being beaten/distracted?

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    "The Flash once rebuilt almost an entire city, while having a therapy session. His shrink never even knew he was gone" Saw that a couple days ago...


    Honestly I thought they'd just go the route of it was too much power, and Zoom would explode or something. Was such a poor choice to give the maniac even more power, and give away all ur power so u won't even be able to stop him.

    As for the man in the iron mask, I assumed it was his Solomon's daddy, but that wouldn't be a shock to team Flash. So I'ma have to go with Leonardo Dicaprio.

    Also, I know they're speedsters, but why did their fight end up in racing....? At least in previous episodes they'd fight whilst running.


    Never read the Flash comics, how many plotholes are in there? After reading up on him, he seems like he's stupidly over-powered.

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    Flash jumped the shark harder this week than Arrow.

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    Nah.

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    Oliver is dumb but this was another level.

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    Oliver would have had Wells rig something up to cripple Jay like how he chopped off Merlyn's hand. Now granted he's dumb and wouldn't just finish the job, but he's not naive enough to just hand a weapon over to the enemy when that enemy no longer has the bargaining chip.

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    I think far too many people are judging this before even seeing if they have anything up their sleeve.

    And yeah, I wasn't defending Flash over Oliver. But most definitely over Arrow, the show. It's taken a way shittier turn.

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    My vote is wally is in the mask.

    next episode preview looked stupid. He is going to try and fight crime with just a suit.

    Also, didt they say loss of speedforce would kill Barry before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrath View Post
    I think far too many people are judging this before even seeing if they have anything up their sleeve.
    At this point, it doesn't really matter if they have some plan involving the loss of Barry's speed because A) as multiple people have pointed out, Barry could've just beaten Zoom as soon as they got Wally back and B) as we saw, as soon as Zoom got the speed, he could've killed literally the entire cast before the plan went into effect. If the plan involved some action on their part there's no reason to hold it back with Zoom's hand around Barry's neck.

    Whatever the outcome, this episode was garbage and I think once this season is over I'm done with this show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gredival View Post
    Oliver is dumb but this was another level.

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    Oliver would have had Wells rig something up to cripple Jay like how he chopped off Merlyn's hand. Now granted he's dumb and wouldn't just finish the job, but he's not naive enough to just hand a weapon over to the enemy when that enemy no longer has the bargaining chip.
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    Of course not...I mean Oliver would never hide a weapon that powered his enemy in a glass case or anything then reveal that his partner has the missing piece to said weapon. No no, Oliver is so much smarter than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalima View Post
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    Of course not...I mean Oliver would never hide a weapon that powered his enemy in a glass case or anything then reveal that his partner has the missing piece to said weapon. No no, Oliver is so much smarter than that.
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    To be fair, they probably thought their lair was the safest place in the city, and moreover it was Diggle who revealed there was a missing piece to the rat that Oliver suspected.

    And in this hypothetical, after Darhk released his hostage, Oliver would just try shoot him instead of turning over the missing piece. Just letting Jay have the vial of speed force right then was inexplicable.

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