6/13/12 Update - .DAT Mining Discussion

[Helel]

You probably haven't heard of it because /drg has been completely useless since 75. You obviously don't need it in abyssea, and you obviously don't need it in VW. It's only recently that it's starting to become useful again. It's pretty much required if you don't have yoichi/annihilator and a fanatic's drink. Decoy shot is nice, but it's not going to stop you from pulling hate with lolJR or something.

Possible to just tank odin with NINs using migawari?

[Ophannus]

Thought of that but then I don't think a NIN can hold hate on Odin like a PLD can, probably gonna be hitting Odin for like 30-40 damage and shit since he's gonna lose buffs every 5 sec. PLD with 99Burtgang was hitting Odin for like 20's and shit and CDC or Atonement were doing 500ish. Not sure if NIN would be hitting much harder or not.

Was thinking have 1-2 DRGs in the RNG party and the RNGs stand behind the DRGs with Decoy Shot and go all out, then the DRG just super jumps the hate off. DRGs are just mainly angon whores/extra body+wyvern to absorb needles and fodder DD for adds(although Stardivers were doing 1600-1700 average on Odin fully buffer, which is actually very good compared to average WS of other DDs)

[NynJa]

Afaik, decoy shot has no distance parameter, so just park your ass behind the pld

[Diomer]

Kaustra was raping our DDs, its like 200-300/tick. /DRG on RNG is an interesting idea, I'll look into seeing if any of our RNGs actually have that sub leveled. We probably could have won if our RNGs were playing more aggressively but since they were taking hits, it's difficult for them to not die, and to run in and high jump could be a bit risky but I'll ask them. We got it down to 45%ish with 10min left and rembrava'd. DDs were dying left and right from needles(brought most DDs down to 500-700 HP) Kaustra did 200-300 initially and mages would try to mass cure but kaustra lasts a very long time, and dealing 300hp/tick at a time to 18+ people is hard to keep track of healing everyone. I think also a flaw of our strategy was having only RNGs deal damage until 79% when the first wave of adds spawn. The DDs were literally chilling on the side until the 3 RNG and 1 COR got it down to 79%, probably ate up a lot of time. We were trying to play it safe though and not have people die or pull hate off the PLD and RNGs, in retrospect we probably could have had the DDs engage until 79% then switch to adds, seeing as Odin's TP moves are rather benign the first 50% of his HP.

We keep DDs on it full time (Only had 5 melee DD with 1 not having BRD buffs, 1 PLD, 3 RNG, 1 COR as damage) unless adds are out. We won without a melee single DD death; our PLD ate 10>9% Zantetsuken and I died @ 1% to the beast Geirrothr; those were the only two deaths we even had.

[Aja]

Edit: Though the feathers thing does work, since only one person needs feathers we didn't really lose much... except another three days before we can try again.

Only one person needs feathers? Or am I just reading this sentence wrong.

[dasva]

Don't you need to have hate in the first place for decoy shot to work?

[NynJa]

I dont think theres been much testing w decoy shot tbh

[Ophannus]

From its description it sounded to me like it makes all your shots into Trick Attacks for 3 minutes.

[pancakesandsex]

From its description it sounded to me like it makes all your shots into Trick Attacks for 3 minutes.

It's not a full emnity transfer it's partial. There was an official forum post response to thf's whining where they mentioned it. The rng still generates emnity from shooting, but at a lower rate than the person in front of them gains it. I think it was like 30%/70% or something like that.

[dasva]

I just remember whenever I'd use it premptively I'd still take hate everytime even if I shot onto the guy tanking... and in the update notes it said
"•Ranger
•Decoy Shot (Lv.95, Recast time: 5 minutes, Duration: 3 minutes)
Diverts enmity when launching a ranged attack from behind a party member.
*Decoy Shot activates when attacking a target that has enmity toward the ranger using it."

[pancakesandsex]

I just remember whenever I'd use it premptively I'd still take hate everytime even if I shot onto the guy tanking... and in the update notes it said
"•Ranger
•Decoy Shot (Lv.95, Recast time: 5 minutes, Duration: 3 minutes)
Diverts enmity when launching a ranged attack from behind a party member.
*Decoy Shot activates when attacking a target that has enmity toward the ranger using it."

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...hot#post179444

there you go.

[Skylark]

Sorry if it's been said or not, but for Arch Omega/Ultima, does everyone need to trade the 150 ABCs to be able to enter or just one person to take everyone in?

Edit: Scratch that, I see you actually get a chip when you trade 150 coins along with the KI. I'm assuming everyone can actually come in with you though?

[Yugl]

Yes, you can take anyone able to get Cosmo-Cleanser.

[Diomer]

Confirming a drop people already guessed at:

Spoiler: show

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...58f6002f55.jpg

Funniest part of this loot pool is that the THF we had was a mule leveled to 99 without a subjob and only has a Thief's Knife.

[Slycer]

Afaik, decoy shot has no distance parameter, so just park your ass behind the pld

He has at least two nasty frontal far-reaching AoE moves which would make this less than ideal. If you have two PLD, however, with one on another side of it, then that would work pretty well. Two PLD is not really a bad idea either, because Zantetsuken Kai (almost definitely) resets hate.

[Atoreis]

He has at least two nasty frontal far-reaching AoE moves which would make this less than ideal. If you have two PLD, however, with one on another side of it, then that would work pretty well. Two PLD is not really a bad idea either, because Zantetsuken Kai (almost definitely) resets hate.

Apparently Kai can insta kill you. PLD that was tanking for us got hit by it and had no damage taken just falls to the ground.

Another person got hit by it for 600 damage. She was far from Odin so distance reduce damage or maybe she wasnt main target idk.

I had a plan to check whats happen in two situations:

1. Shadowbind (assuming it works) it at 90% and let tanks runaway and drop his HP below 90% with WS. It might try to use Kai on tanks from max distance. We will see.
2. Cureskin PLD with ochain and let him disengage and /heal. Then force Kai. It might do shit but it might work who knows.

[Yugl]

I was idle on MNK (Which means 35PDT and 16 MDT+Shell) and Kai hit for 2.2k from a ridiculous distance (Main target was the PLD though). I was also very close to a WHM that was not hit. Conals tend to be moderate distance while linear moves tend to be of much greater distance. My guess is that the the TP move is linear, but that distance does not affect the damage.

[dasva]

Not sure if mentioned but did odin v2 today and noticed really low magic dmg. Everyone kinda assumed it just had high mdt/pdt (though when fully attack buffed my attacks seemed to do decent) but I watched are cor and he consistenly got 191 fire shots which makes me think it just might have rediculous mdb. Going by his gear that would either put odin's mdb at around +204 mdb or it was forcing half resist everytime and around 50 mdb. Anyone else getting crazy stuff like that?

[Yugl]

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/111...=1#post5262863

That's the only relevant post I see.

[Ophannus]

With Ebullience, Magian Thunder Staff+6 as SCH/RDM with thunderstorm,klimaform, af3+2 feet, tons of MAB gear/nares hands/af3+2 body/twilight cape/stoic pendent/icesoul rings/searing sash/witchstone/moldavite/hecate my unresisted Thunder V was for like 1178 on odin.