Feminism Thread

[Ksandra]

I've read it a few times now, there's nothing wrong with Maz's post, and it doesn't sink anywhere near the level of the worst that's made this thread in the last three weeks. You singling out that post makes zero sense. Let's go with nothing.

He responded to my post, how is that singling it out to say I don't understand half the shit he is saying?

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He responded to my post, how is that singling it out to say I don't understand half the shit he is saying?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlutWal...ly_insensitive

Black feminists have accused Slutwalk of being exclusionary to women of color. Black Women's Blueprint said in an open letter "As Black women, we do not have the privilege or the space to call ourselves “slut” without validating the already historically entrenched ideology and recurring messages about what and who the Black woman is."[83] Keli Goff entitled her response: "Dear Feminists, Will You Also Be Marching In N***erwalk? Because I Won't."[84] [85]

[Ksandra]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlutWal...ly_insensitive

See, now if he could have explained that and without using terms like cis, then I wouldn't have responded the way I did. Yes slutwalk definitely does not include most women of color.

[Correction]

Cis/heteronormative are not very controversial or difficult to define terms, and I don't understand the expectation that they not be included in a conversation about how inclusive feminism sometimes is or isn't.

[quannum]

check your word comprehension privilege

[Ksandra]

Cis/heteronormative are not very controversial or difficult to define terms, and I don't understand the expectation that they not be included in a conversation about how inclusive feminism sometimes is or isn't.

They make him sound aloof imo. He can use it, but I will probably just roll my eyes and not bother with his responses when he does. That is up to him.

[Priran]

Cis/heteronormative are not very controversial or difficult to define terms, and I don't understand the expectation that they not be included in a conversation about how inclusive feminism sometimes is or isn't.

that's so ableist i am so fucking triggered right now i just can't

[Cliron]

None of the mouthbreathers are talking about the Emma Watson thing? /dissapointed.

[Acevalefor]

None of the mouthbreathers are talking about the Emma Watson thing? /dissapointed.

I saw a huffpost headline about it and did not watch the long video. Anyone have a tl;dw?

[Correction]

None of the mouthbreathers are talking about the Emma Watson thing? /dissapointed.

You mean the mouthbreathers who threatened her the second she was done speaking at the UN? Those mouthbreathers never stop talking.

I saw a huffpost headline about it and did not watch the long video. Anyone have a tl;dw?

A transcript

Today, we are launching a campaign called HeForShe. I am reaching out to you before we need your help. We want to end gender inequality and to do this, we need everyone involved. This is the first campaign of its kind at the UN. We want to try to galvanize as many men and boys as possible to be advocates for change and we don't just want to talk about it. We want to try and make sure that it's tangible."

"I was appointed as Goodwill Ambassador for U.N. Women six months ago and the more I've spoken about feminism, the more I have realized that fighting for women's rights has too often become synonymous with man-hating. If there is one thing I know for certain, it is that this has to stop."

"for the record, feminism, by definition, is the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities. It is the theory of the political, economic and social equality of the sexes. I started questioning gender-based assumptions a long time ago."
"When I was 8, I was confused about being called 'bossy' because I wanted to direct the plays that we would put on for our parents. But the boys were not. When at 14, I started to be sexualized by certain elements of the media, when at 15, my girlfriends started dropping out of their beloved sports teams, because they didn't want to appear 'muscle-y,' when at 18, my males friends were unable to express their feelings, I decided that I was a feminist. And this seems uncomplicated to me. But my recent research has shown me that feminism has become an unpopular word."

"Women are choosing not to identify as feminists. Apparently, I am among the ranks of women whose expressions are seen as too strong, 'too aggressive,' isolating and anti-men, unattractive, even. Why has the word become such an uncomfortable one?"

"I am from Britain and I think it is right that I am paid the same as my male counterparts. I think it is right that I should be able to make decisions about my own body, I think [applause break] ... I think it is right that women be involved on my behalf in the policies and the decisions that affect my life. I think it is right that socially, I am afforded the same respect as men."

"But sadly, I can say that there is no one country in the world where all women can expect to receive these rights. No country in the world can yet say that they have achieved gender equality. These rights, I consider to be human rights but I am one of the lucky ones, my life is a sheer privilege because my parents didn't love me less because I was born a daughter. My school did not limit me because I was a girl. My mentors didn't assume that I would go less far because I might give birth to a child one day. These influences are the gender equality ambassadors that made me who I am today."

"They may not know it, but they are the inadvertent feminists who are changing the world today. We need more of those and if you still hate the word, it is not the word that is important. It's the idea and the ambition behind it. Because not all women have received the same rights that I have. In fact, statistically, very few have been."

"In 1997, Hillary Clinton made a famous speech in Beijing about women's rights. Sadly, many of the things that she wanted to change are still true today. But what stood out for me the most was that less than 30 percent of the audience were male. How can we affect change in the world when only half of it is invited or feel welcome to participate in the conversation?"

"Men, I would like to take this opportunity to extend your formal invitation." [Applause break] "Gender equality is your issue too. Because to date, I've seen my father's role as a parent being valued les by society despite my needing his presence, as a child, as much as my mother's. I've seen young men suffering from mental illness, unable to ask for help, for fear it would make them less of a men—or less of a man. In fact, in the U.K., suicide is the biggest killer of men, between 20 to 49, eclipsing road accidents, cancer and coronary heart disease. I've seen men made fragile and insecure by a distorted sense of what constitutes male success. Men don't have the benefits of equality, either."
"We don't want to talk about men being imprisoned by gender stereotypes but I can see that they are. When they are free, things will change for women as a natural consequence. If men don't have to be aggressive, women won't be compelled to be submissive. If men don't need to control, women won't have to be controlled."


"It is time that we all see gender as a spectrum instead of two sets of opposing ideals. We should stop defining each other by what we are not and start defining ourselves by who we are. We can all be freer and this is what HeForShe is about. It's about freedom. I want men to take up this mantle so their daughters, sisters and mothers can be free from prejudice but also so their sons have permission to be vulnerable and human, too and in doing so, be a more true and complete version of themselves."

"You might think, 'Who is this Harry Potter girl? What is she doing at the U.N.?' And it's a really good question—I've been asking myself at the same thing. All I know is that I care about this problem and I want to make it better. And having seen what I've seen and given the chance, I feel my responsibility to say something. Statesman Edmund Burke said all that is needed for the forces of evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing."

"In my nervousness for this speech and my moments of doubt, I've told myself firmly, 'If not me, who? If not now, when?' If you have similar doubts when opportunities are presented to you, I hope that those words will be helpful because the reality is, if we do nothing, it will take 75 years or for me, to be nearly 100, before women can expect to be paid the same as men for the same work—15.5 million girls will be married in the next 16 years as children and at current rates, it won't be until 2086 before all rural African girls can have a secondary education."

"If you believe in equality, you might be one of those inadvertent feminists that I spoke of earlier and for this, I applaud you. We are struggling for a uniting word but the good news is that we have a uniting movement. It is called HeForShe. I am inviting you to step forward to be seen and to ask yourself, 'If not me, who? If not now, when?' Thank you very, very much."

[Priran]

for people mocking the idea that gaming journalists are part of some kind of conspiracy:

surprise, they literally do conspire with one another

[Charismatic]

for people mocking the idea that gaming journalists are part of some kind of conspiracy:

surprise, they literally do conspire with one another

It just keeps getting better and better.

[Correction]

for people mocking the idea that gaming journalists are part of some kind of conspiracy:

surprise, they literally do conspire with one another

So the big conspiracy is that one guy wanted to draft a letter of support for Zoe Quinn and two others said it was a bad idea and nobody wrote the letter? On a mailing list?
Keep carrying water for Breitbart, I guess.

[Priran]

So the big conspiracy is that one guy wanted to draft a letter of support for Zoe Quinn and two others said it was a bad idea and nobody wrote the letter? On a mailing list?
Keep carrying water for Breitbart, I guess.

The conspiracy is discussing the use of gaming media and twitter to "signal boost" anti-gamergate messages, encouraging public support of Zoe Quinn, encouraging removal of forum posts and articles critical of Zoe Quinn, and smearing of people and campaigns that are critical of them. it's also concerning towards the matter of them being biased that this "discussion group for professionals within [game journalism]" includes indie devs and marketing representatives from major studios.

keep carrying water for the genetic fallacy, I guess

[Quicklet]

I don't think being on a mailing list is a particularly damning piece of evidence, but there was an open letter that could have been the result of that discussion. If anything, it's clear at this point that there's a club of games journalism people (and others in the indie game industry) who want to call out anyone who doesn't share their exact point of view.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/9/2/6096...te-open-letter

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I don't think being on a mailing list is a particularly damning piece of evidence, but there was an open letter that could have been the result of that discussion. If anything, it's clear at this point that there's a club of games journalism people (and others in the indie game industry) who want to call out anyone who doesn't share their exact point of view.

http://www.polygon.com/2014/9/2/6096...te-open-letter

That a thousand people signed a letter saying 'hey it's not okay to hurl death threats at outspoken women' doesn't seem like the product of a particularly nefarious plot aimed at silencing anybody with a valid point on the matter. Andreas Zecher isn't even on the mailing list. Neither is Emily Gera. Yiannopoulos is making mountains out of molehills, calling a mailing list with hundreds of members a secret and assigning to it an easily manipulated hivemind bent on silencing the idiots behind #gamergate. And the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork to parrot it not because they actually want objectivity in the enthusiast press but because it gives them more cover to condemn those who support feminist voices. It's pathetic.

[Jefe]

"valid points"

[Quicklet]

I'm not going to espouse a conspiracy theory about the origination of the open letter. I would think that Emily Gera doesn't write articles in a vacuum, that there's input and discussion with editors at Polygon and people who work at other sites. At the very least, it's not like they were going to pass on the opportunity.

It's unprofessional to circulate something among a significant number of peers to the effect of "I don't know if it's proper to editorialize about this on my website so let's use Twitter instead." Frankly, as I've said before, I don't care all that much because I don't hold these sites in high regard to begin with, but I do wonder if the approach they've taken to this only polarizes the extremes and gives attention to a small number of people who are only too happy to have the attention.

[Priran]

That a thousand people signed a letter saying 'hey it's not okay to hurl death threats at outspoken women' doesn't seem like the product of a particularly nefarious plot aimed at silencing anybody with a valid point on the matter.

a thousand people implicitly agreeing "all this commotion is about people trying to harass an indie dev" does.

And the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork to parrot it not because they actually want objectivity in the enthusiast press but because it gives them more cover to condemn those who support feminist voices. It's pathetic.

One of the people the email group has a problem with is TotalBiscuit. Show me one example of him doing anything remotely anti-feminist. Spoiler: You can't, because his interest in this from word one has been about trying to reform games journalism.

[Rhinox]

None of the mouthbreathers are talking about the Emma Watson thing? /dissapointed.

Neckbeard and mouthbreathers are the default insults from feminized male allies everywhere. I guess that's a step up from basement dwelling virgins.


Anyways...I laugh everytime someone points out death threats on the internet. I laugh even harder when they claim it's because of the patriarchal cisgender privilege buzzword buzzword sexist misogynist world we live in.