Feminism Thread

[Milkster]

You're making the claim, you prove it.

Oh, right, you're only asking me to because you know it's impossible.

Impossible to prove that it isn't used negatively?

[hey]

Okay so if she identifies as a woman and presents as a woman, why can't we call her a woman instead of just transwoman? I don't get why we need to include that. Also I was using male/female as sex identifiers above, asking if a transwoman is biologically female that identifies as male, or the opposite. Which you answered, thank you.

Touched on this in my last post, but you can just call her a woman. Depending on the context though, it may be relevant to mention that they are trans. It would be weird to casually refer to such a person as a trans woman, just like it would be weird to introduce someone as your gay friend. Such details are generally not relevant, and shouldn't be included unless they are.

[Mazmaz]

Here's a god damn SHOCKER of a suggestion for you guys that think certain terms that you haven't been exposed to properly have a degrading connotation. Put yourself in spaces where those terms ARE discussed correctly. Have discussions, learn the terminology, build empathy with the oppressed groups that you hear about.

DON'T say shit like "don't use these words that I'm not used to" or "why can't we just talk about these things like I'm normal and others aren't". Because that shit is pretty fucking oppressive.

[Lyall]

You don't have to refer to yourself as cis if you don't want to. No one ever asked you to. But in some situations the distinction is important. You don't need to announce your gender identity, race, sexuality, religion, or anything else about yourself unless it is relevant. In a conversation about trans issues, the distinction between trans and cis people is relevant.

That sounds fair. I suppose I just don't see the need for it sometimes. I guess part of my hang-up is that I was raised in the school environment that was "everyone is equal, don't use skin color or anything to describe someone" kind of see-people-for-who-they-are-not-what-they are thing. I don't really give a shit what someone is, so it blows my mind that what I am is suddenly relevant in conversations.

I apologize if it upset you, that wasn't my intent.

Nah, we're cool. It's just internet discussion; I expect a certain amount of cockfuckery to go into it. I'm not trying to sound like a stupid asshole, it just happens when I'm out of my depth.

I just wanted to play video games, dammit.

[hey]

Impossible to prove that it isn't used negatively?

No one has ever said it's not used negatively. It is sometimes used negatively. That's not what you asked me to prove though.

[Cliron]

"Heteronormative is the presumption that heterosexuality is the only normal and legitimate sexuality"

and, the assumption that other sexualities should adhere to/follow as best it can to the status quo.

Especially disliking (what I perceive) as the growing heteronormativ-asation of gay relationship styles. If I see that plastic couple Neil Patrick Harris and whatshisname as the poster child for gay marriage one more time I'll puke.

Hey, gay relationships in a lot of cultures don't adhere to the same rules of monogamy as the straights do. So what. It's different, and shouldn't have to be remolded into a frankenstein'd version to please the straights into allowing gay marriage to come about.

[Mazmaz]

PS. I bet Milkster's one of those G's that hates the fact that the LBTQ's are in there.

[Milkster]

PS. I bet Milkster's one of those G's that hates the fact that the LBTQ's are in there.

Why is that?

[hey]

That sounds fair. I suppose I just don't see the need for it sometimes. I guess part of my hang-up is that I was raised in the school environment that was "everyone is equal, don't use skin color or anything to describe someone" kind of see-people-for-who-they-are-not-what-they are thing. I don't really give a shit what someone is, so it blows my mind that what I am is suddenly relevant in conversations.

Yeah, in general this is great. A couple of my last few posts talked about this though. If you are specifically discussions issues where everyone is not equal, then you need words to differentiate. If not, then there's no need.

[Ksandra]

Trans women and lesbians obviously have kids at a much lower rate than straight cis people do. Probably because both groups are usually incapable of having kids on their own.

I think you just don't realize how many trans people are here on bg.

Anyone can make a forum on the mommy site. The largest lesbian parents forum has 800 members. The largest transgender has 50~. Pleas prove to me that is even remotely close to BG.

[Milkster]

No one has ever said it's not used negatively. It is sometimes used negatively. That's not what you asked me to prove though.

I and others are saying more times than not they are used in a discriminatory tone.

[hey]

Anyone can make a forum on the mommy site. The largest lesbian parents forum has 800 members. The largest transgender has 50~. Pleas prove to me that is even remotely close to BG.

And how many members total?

I don't know how many trans people are on bg, and i won't even attempt to give a number, because many do not wish to be identified as trans.

[Eurell]

I and others are saying more times than not they are used in a discriminatory tone.

While I generally see it used as a derogatory term more than anything else, that's because I purposefully visit sites that showcase idiots who do that. The entire world isn't a TumblrInAction post. Not everyone is a 14yo pluto/deerkin that hates everyone not like them.

[Ksandra]

And how many members total?

I don't know how many trans people are on bg, and i won't even attempt to give a number, because many do not wish to be identified as trans.

I can't answer the fist part. They don't list it that way. The largest forum has 104,000~ members but not everyone subscribes to every forum ( I am not subscribed to that one).

And you can't claim I am wrong and then backpedal and say you have no way to prove it.

[hey]

The entire world isn't a TumblrInAction post.

Just checked this out...wait didn't milkster link this before? No fucking wonder.

[hey]

I can't answer the fist part. They don't list it that way. The largest forum has 104,000~ members but not everyone subscribes to every forum ( I am not subscribed to that one).

50 out of at least 104,000+? Yeah. Exactly.

And you can't claim I am wrong and then backpedal and say you have no way to prove it.

I didn't claim you were wrong, i claimed there are more trans people here than you realize. I think only me and Niro are open about being trans here, but there are many more who are not open about it. It is difficult to count a group that tends to be extremely secretive of their being part of it.

[Ksandra]

50 out of at least 104,000+? Yeah. Exactly.

Exactly what? All I ever said is there are more transwoman there than here. Fuck there are more transwomen there than any kind of woman here. If you are going to argue that then you have to show there are more than fifty here. Otherwise you are just arguing for no fucking reason.

Tell me since you can see in my head, how many people here do I think are transgendered? It IS less than fifty I admit, but it is probably higher than what you are accusing me of.

[hey]

Exactly they are underrepresented. There are significantly less trans people there then in the general population by a rather huge margin.

Absolute numbers are meaningless, there aren't 100k+ posters on bg. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more men who post there then do here on bg, if you go by absolute numbers.

[Teryu]

PS. I bet Milkster's one of those G's that hates the fact that the LBTQ's are in there.

Oh boy here we go, the whole "gay men are actually all misogynists" shit.

[Teryu]

Also, for the people who don't think cis isn't used as an insult:

https://www.tumblr.com/search/%23cis

Even from the very top.