Feminism Thread

[NynJa]

Men cant rape women because it involves penetration, and a guy wont get hard? "What is Viagra?"

And who said the penetration had to be male to female?

[Teryu]

Don't know where you got that from when I singled out a particular person.

You said it because Milkster is disagreeing with you, which automatically makes him misogynist, despite the fact that feminists invade gay male spaces and make everything about themselves.

For example:

http://disruptingdinnerparties.files...eg?w=423&h=423

[Milkster]

Do you think the fact that the vast, vast majority of men could physically overpower the vast, vast majority of women would play a factor?

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/co...by_women_what/

[Milkster]

I thought your point was that meant the rates weren't going to be the same.

When there is a will there is a way I would imagine in all cases of rape. Unless you think there are a huge portion of women who are unable to get a man's dick hard under duress, I am not sure how that is relevant to the rate at which men get raped compared to women.

[edit] Just want to say I DO think more women are raped by men than men raped by women, I just don't see this as being a factor for that.

Basically he's saying if a man get raped by a woman, it's his fault because you can't become aroused unless you want it and even then you can physically overpower them and fight them off.

[Ksandra]

Do you think the fact that the vast, vast majority of men could physically overpower the vast, vast majority of women would play a factor?

of course it would. I don't see how that relates to dick hardening.

[Charismatic]

Feminists are the biggest advocates for men that I know.

You are insane.

[Mazmaz]

You said it because Milkster is disagreeing with you, which automatically makes him misogynist, despite the fact that feminists invade gay male spaces and make everything about themselves.

False. I said it because from observing Milkster's posts, it's quite clear that the only oppressed group he's spoken out about is the one that he belongs to, and is more than willing to leave behind other oppressed groups and/or actively speak out against them.

For the record, I believe Archi belongs to a particular branch of advocating we refer to as "dude feminism", which has it's own problematic views on things.
http://sherights.com/2014/04/24/the-...dude-feminism/

[Milkster]

False. I said it because from observing Milkster's posts, it's quite clear that the only oppressed group he's spoken out about is the one that he belongs to, and is more than willing to leave behind other oppressed groups and/or actively speak out against them.

For the record, I believe Archi belongs to a particular branch of advocating we refer to as "dude feminism", which has it's own problematic views on things.
http://sherights.com/2014/04/24/the-...dude-feminism/

I find female rape appalling just as much as male rape, the fact is male rape has been something that has been mostly dismissed in this thread and I'm pointing out that it's also a problem as well. Look at what most men have responded in turn to male rape. I can point out another view/problem and still be for or against what everyone is talking about. It would be useless for me to continue talking in circles and nothing new to how horrible of an act rape is, only in regards to women.

[Teryu]

False. I said it because from observing Milkster's posts, it's quite clear that the only oppressed group he's spoken out about is the one that he belongs to, and is more than willing to leave behind other oppressed groups and/or actively speak out against them.

You mean feminism?

[Mazmaz]

I'm not talking about the rape discussion. For the record, I think you're mostly correct in what you say. It's shit like this from 10 pages ago onwards:

This last page looks like something out of TumblrInAction.

You mean feminism?

It's pretty obvious you don't know what feminism is. The ironic thing is I was explaining that a proper feminist space will have discussions on women's, men's, trans, disabled, etc. rights. A proper feminist space stands up for ALL the oppressed groups. And these spaces are NOT few and far between. Go back 20 pages and read my post before Ksandra started frothing at the mouth.

[quannum]

feminist like that should change the label that they self-identify as. the content of emma's speech isn't going to make it very far as long as it's wrapped up in a feminist context instead of some sorta humanist/egalitarian/marxist/etc label.

[Mazmaz]

humanist

NOPE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

[Mazmaz]

You are insane.

I'm curious, what do you think of this facebook page?
https://www.facebook.com/JustSupportingMen

[quannum]

NOPE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

whoops, silly me that link totally goes against what i said, thanks bro.

[Ksandra]

It's pretty obvious you don't know what feminism is.

lol

[archibaldcrane]

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/co...by_women_what/

Great link, and confirmed what I expected - every adult male in the first 20 or so stories (stopped looking after that) was either physically restrained (handcuffs) or passed out drunk/drugged or asleep, and upon waking up to their rape, successfully fought off their attacker.

The nearly universal scorn they faced / ignored by police is sad and awful.

[Mazmaz]

It's not the responsibility of feminism to change its labels. It's the responsibility of others who share the same values of equality for all to learn about proper feminism.

And if you don't share those values, then we don't really have anything else to talk about.

[quannum]

oh right, the patriarchy, i almost forgot

[NynJa]

It's not the responsibility of feminism to change its labels. It's the responsibility of others who share the same values of equality for all to learn about proper feminism.

And if you don't share those values, then we don't really have anything else to talk about.

so what you're saying is "my way or highway"

[archibaldcrane]

For the record, I believe Archi belongs to a particular branch of advocating we refer to as "dude feminism", which has it's own problematic views on things.
http://sherights.com/2014/04/24/the-...dude-feminism/

That's...a strange interpretation of how I view feminism. From my point of view, the two most important ways feminism is awesome for "dudes" are:

A) Sexual liberation / birth control. Allows dudes to date/have sex with women without expectation of marrying them and with a significant reduction in the risk of impregnating them.

B) Women's economic self-determination.
Takes the pressure off men to be expected to be the sole breadwinner in a family and, well, allows women to be more interesting to dudes because they get into things that aren't just babies and domestic duties. As someone who basically only ever dated college grads, this is important to me.

That link was about the most pedestrian feminist issue of all, avoiding violence, which I hardly consider to be a "feminist issue" - it's so incredibly obvious that I have a hard time claiming to be a feminist with that issue as my calling card.