Feminism Thread

[Galkaeater]

How many people have been involed in a rape while under the influence of weed?

check mate alcoholics

[Acevalefor]

True story guys. A few months ago, my wife and I both got drunk and had sex. I regretted it the next morning. Did she rape me?

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Not the reason you are thinking.

[NynJa]

True story guys. A few months ago, my wife and I both got drunk and had sex. I regretted it the next morning. Did she rape me?

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Not the reason you are thinking.

You bust inside her and now you have an unwanted child on the way.

lol

edit: I doubt half of the people who have drank in the past year have been drunk in the past year, let alone had sex. Try .1% and maybe we might be getting somewhere.

.1%...so one in every 1 thousand people who got drunk (I'm sorry, but "I had half a beer" does not count as drinking, no one counts that as drinking) in the past year had sex while inebriated? So by your desired .1% number, theres 2000 people in a club, coincidentally with an even male/female distribution (its a big club, and its magic, cause it never distributes 50/50), and everyones having a good time getting their drink and grind on...only TWO of these people are going to fuck that night, the other 1998 are going home alone?

bullllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllshit

[Acevalefor]

You bust inside her and now you have an unwanted child on the way.

Nope. Had to wash the sheets and blankets...next time, no body oil on the bed.

[hey]

You bust inside her and now you have an unwanted child on the way.



.1%...so one in every 1 thousand people who got drunk (I'm sorry, but "I had half a beer" does not count as drinking, no one counts that as drinking)

yes it does.

in the past year had sex while inebriated? So by your desired .1% number, theres 2000 people in a club, coincidentally with an even male/female distribution (its a big club, and its magic, cause it never distributes 50/50), and everyones having a good time getting their drink and grind on...only TWO of these people are going to fuck that night, the other 1998 are going home alone?

bullllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllshit

No, the other 1998 were already at home.

You don't seriously think that's representative, do you? A club with 2000 people in it? Sure, the rate will be higher there, and in other places it will be much lower.

[archibaldcrane]

"Rape isn't rape if you do it to your spouse" - archibaldcrane, 2014

It's still technically rape, but if you trust that someone's drunken desires towards you accurately represent their sober desires as well, you aren't going to have a problem.

It's not a level of trust you can typically build with great confidence in somene you just met - aka someone you shouldn't be fucking while they are drunk.

[Priran]

It's still technically rape, but if you trust that someone's drunken desires towards you accurately represent their sober desires as well, you aren't going to have a problem.

It's not a level of trust you can typically build with great confidence in somene you just met - aka someone you shouldn't be fucking while they are drunk.

And the backpedaling begins!

You said:

The man was a rapist when he fucked a drunk girl who could not legally consent. Not the morning after.

The subtext here is that the guy's a rapist not because of her feelings about having had sex with the guy when she woke up, but because she was unable to consent at the moment they had sex. I don't see any room in that definition for it to be affected by the accuracy of a man's prediction of her willingness to consent when sober.


So basically, you're saying that having sex with somebody who's drunk is literally equivalent to pinning them down in an alleyway and forcibly penetrating them against their will, but it's k to do this to someone who would have had sex with you anyway.

[Deadgye]

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Tickle her while you fuck, it's not rape if she's laughing.

This whole intoxicated rape thing is pretty silly. It's supposed to be handled on a case by case basis. The clauses and loopholes exist to give legal recourse for scumbags who take advantage of people knowingly, not to go after regular people. If someone is drunk and you make a move, and they don't reject you, it should be sex. If they were passed out, it should be rape. There's an even grayer area in between of course. Better to err on the side of caution at that point.

[archibaldcrane]

There's definitely a difference between what is legally rape and what you're likely to get in legal trouble for doing. Use my handy tips and you should make it through life rape-charge free!

[archibaldcrane]

But seriously, does anybody think that my advice of "don't fuck drunk people unless you completely trust their drunken desires accurately reflect their sober desires" is anything other than top-notch, grade A, outstanding advice?

[Charismatic]

If that's the single "con" for men in the women's sexual liberation movement, I'll take it every day and twice on Sunday.

Also, lol @ this too btw.

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[archibaldcrane]

Isn't that more children's rights? Men who rape women maintain parental rights to rape babies in most states as well.

[Meresgi]

yes it does.

It counts as much as drinking a glass of water at that point.

[noblemountain]

This thread should be locked and nuked from fucking orbit. This is some of the most back-asswards bullshit I have ever seen on this board and if the majority of you actually believe the shit you are saying (that goes for both sides of this) then I truly feel bad for you and your interactions with people in your own lives.

[Not Kuno]

Also, lol @ this too btw.

The fact that a woman can rape an underage boy and get child support from him is the ultimate example of how fucked up things are in this country.

[hey]

And the backpedaling begins!

You said:


The subtext here is that the guy's a rapist not because of her feelings about having had sex with the guy when she woke up, but because she was unable to consent at the moment they had sex. I don't see any room in that definition for it to be affected by the accuracy of a man's prediction of her willingness to consent when sober.


So basically, you're saying that having sex with somebody who's drunk is literally equivalent to pinning them down in an alleyway and forcibly penetrating them against their will, but it's k to do this to someone who would have had sex with you anyway.

A drunk person cannot legally give consent to sex, therefore having sex with a drunk person, legally, is always rape. However, just because it's illegal doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. If you want to have sex with your wife while she's drunk, no one cares, and certainly no one is going to prosecute you for it even if, technically, it's rape.

If you totally trust the person, and are sure they won't regret it the morning after, then go ahead and have sex. It's illegal, but ethically, there's not really anything wrong with it, and if they also trust you, and don't regret it there won't be any legally consequences. However if it's a person you don't really know, and there's a chance they might not think it was a good idea once they sober up, then you're putting yourself at risk legally, and for good reason, because it's a pretty shitty thing to do.

[Charismatic]

Isn't that more children's rights? Men who rape women maintain parental rights to rape babies in most states as well.

There's more. Spoilers within the spoilers. Keep going.

[Priran]

A drunk person cannot legally give consent to sex, therefore having sex with a drunk person, legally, is always rape. However, just because it's illegal doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. If you want to have sex with your wife while she's drunk, no one cares, and certainly no one is going to prosecute you for it even if, technically, it's rape.

If you totally trust the person, and are sure they won't regret it the morning after, then go ahead and have sex. It's illegal, but ethically, there's not really anything wrong with it, and if they also trust you, and don't regret it there won't be any legally consequences. However if it's a person you don't really know, and there's a chance they might not think it was a good idea once they sober up, then you're putting yourself at risk legally, and for good reason, because it's a pretty shitty thing to do.

Your soapboxing about "sex without affirmative consent is always rape" is somewhat undercut by your statement that rape isn't always wrong. Personally, I'd rather draw a line in the sand that preserved "rape is always wrong" rather than "x, y, and z things I don't like are always rape", but that's just me.

Fucking an unconscious girl always rape? Yep. Fucking a girl who's too drunk to stand or form a logically cohesive thought always rape? Sure. But two people who met up after getting tipsy at a bar and have sex are both guilty of mutually raping each other? That's stupid and you're stupid. Rape isn't a tool whose connotations are there for you to commoditize for the sake of seeking women's rights via intellectually dishonest rape statistics.

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The fact that a woman can rape an underage boy and get child support from him is the ultimate example of how fucked up things are in this country.

The laws cut both ways

[archibaldcrane]

We're basically into semantics territory here, where hey and I are saying that all sex without legal consent is technically rape, where Priran and Nynja want rape to only be where consent is impossible, legality of consent given be damned.

Which side you fall on doesn't particularly matter, as long as you correctly understand that drunken consent is not legal consent and you act accordingly.