Feminism Thread

**archibaldcrane** · 2014-10-17 23:21

Originally Posted by Priran

This Christian video game reviewer can somehow manage to separate his feelings of the morality from his appraisal of a game's artistic merit, but Polygon can't? Fuck off.

Personally, I just choose not to watch fox news.

**Priran** · 2014-10-17 23:24

Originally Posted by Correction

What an outrage, I assure you I'm on the phone right now to get every single one of that publisher's advertisers to pull support or else I boycott Intel (lol)

Nobody is emailing advertisers over that, it's about the "Gamers are Dead" articles and the horrid shit they say about their own readers on twitter. Nice strawman tho

And it lost them Mercedes Benz too, keep up.

**Correction** · 2014-10-17 23:28

Originally Posted by Priran

Nobody is emailing advertisers over that, it's about the "Gamers are Dead" articles and the horrid shit they say about their own readers on twitter. Nice strawman tho

And it lost them Mercedes Benz too, keep up.

So this is nothing, doesn't exist? http://i.minus.com/iB78n22NCakve.png

You're right though, journalists should only ever write on topics from a list of subjects you approve of. Fight the powah.

**Kibble** · 2014-10-17 23:29

If games are art, then shouldn't review be criticism rather than journalism? How a game makes you feel shouldn't be invalidated in the final score.

**Priran** · 2014-10-17 23:34

Originally Posted by Correction

You're right, journalists should only ever write on topics from a list of subjects you approve of. Fight the powah.

Losing readers and advertisers who pay you money on the assumption that your articles will be read by their consumers when you call your readers obsolete assholes, wish you could physically injure them, and openly hope they get bullied is not censorship. If you are seriously going to suggest that GG is the side doing the censorship in this whole affair you are a consummate fucking moron.

**Correction** · 2014-10-17 23:37

Originally Posted by Kibble

If games are art, then shouldn't review be criticism rather than journalism?

A review is necessarily criticism of its disparate parts, including its place in culture and the nature of its representations. Games just also happen to have buttons to press and a minimum budget to make back so this has pressured a lot of reviewers away from taking any kind of risk in their evaluations. What's been happening more and more lately is the strange backlash that happens from consumers, of all people, when a publication goes off the beaten path and, well, takes a risk with its reviews. That's been going on since Gerstmann gave Twilight Princess an 8.8.

Originally Posted by Priran

If you are seriously going to suggest that GG is the side doing the censorship in this whole affair you are a consummate fucking moron.

GG is the one here with a proven record of chasing voices away from the gaming industry.

**Charismatic** · 2014-10-17 23:38

Its been going on since well before 8.8, but for the first time you made a sensible post.
Congratulations!

And I agree with you on that point. I also agree with Kibble that reviews should certainly reflect the views of the critic... to a point. I think anyone reviewing a game should also keep its target audience in mind too and therefore should keep the effect of their personal opinion on the social impact of the content to a minimum but it should certainly be reflected to some degree. I'm sure its fairly difficult to strike a balance there but certainly not impossible as many critics already do this.

**Priran** · 2014-10-17 23:39

Originally Posted by Correction

A review is necessarily criticism of its disparate parts, including its place in culture and the nature of its representations. Games just also happen to have buttons to press and a minimum budget to make back so this has pressured a lot of reviewers away from taking any kind of risk in their evaluations. What's been happening more and more lately is the strange backlash that happens from consumers, of all people, when a publication goes off the beaten path and, well, takes a risk with its reviews. That's been going on since Gerstmann gave Twilight Princess an 8.8.

The fuck are you talking about? If Gerstmann has anything to do with GG it'd be him getting fired for giving Kane & Lynch a bad review.

**Charismatic** · 2014-10-17 23:42

Originally Posted by Correction

GG is the one here with a proven record of chasing voices away from the gaming industry.

Proven? That's a funny word.
Who has proven that the claimed harassment that I'm sure you're referring to can actually be traced back to GamerGate? The accusations have certainly been made, but where's the proof?

**Xno Kappa** · 2014-10-17 23:44

Leave Bayonetta out of this contrived crap of a discussion, thank you very much.

**NynJa** · 2014-10-18 00:21

I wonder if Correction actually believes the shit he writes.

**Gokku** · 2014-10-18 00:34

Originally Posted by NynJa

I wonder if Correction actually believes the shit he writes.

do you?

**Xajii** · 2014-10-18 01:08

Just have to say I thought that GG people latching onto the polygon bayonetta review was cringeworthy and contradictory at its core. Reviews are fucking opinion pieces. In that reviewers opinion it detracted from the experience. There are actually other gamers who agree with them on that. They have the right to publish that.

What they don't have a right to do is accept money to write good reviews and not disclose it.
To
The problem with cozy relationships is that it removes incentive from AAA devs to innovate and work hard if they know for a fact major outlets will put out glowing reviews.

Polygon criticizing the aesthetics of bayonetta is actually the OPPOSITE of being in bed with industry. Its also an entirely different journalistic issue, which is QUALITY. if we were going to turn GG into a pitchfork march against bad reviews in general there truly would.be nothing left on the internet.

That chick bringing it up in the huffpost debate made the entire movement look disorganized and dumb tbh

I don't like shit writing either and that's why I don't read these sites' reviews. You're barking up a different tree in a different forest if that is what you want to fight now though.

**archibaldcrane** · 2014-10-18 08:17

Not liking a review for criticizing "the wrong parts of a game" is a whole other can of censorship than criticizing reviewers in bed with devs.

GG is going to look even worse (as if that is possible) if they try to muzzle reviewers from discussing certain aspects of gaming.

**Kuya** · 2014-10-18 10:18

Wait, i actually wasn't following that. GG is trying to can a reviewer for making a review they didn't like? I thought they were about gaming journalism corruption?

**Galkaeater** · 2014-10-18 10:42

idk correction just posted an image with it but I don't see anything on it that links it to gamergate and I cba to check because I don't care enough

**Qalbert** · 2014-10-18 12:13

obviously the review is part of the vast conspiracy to push the feminist vagenda dontcha know

**Qalbert** · 2014-10-18 12:15

also I still think reviews simply shouldn't have scores, period. Let an author give his/her complete and probably biased opinion (while making any financial or other compensation a matter of public record). Make you purchase decision based on what you've seen of the game, and what you've read about it, not some arbitrary and (far too frequently) artificially high number.

**Stumblingdrunk** · 2014-10-18 14:15

Originally Posted by Qalbert

feminist vagenda

I have no idea how I've never seen this before, but it is wonderful.

**Charismatic** · 2014-10-18 14:24

Same. Its pretty incredible, really.

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