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    Quote Originally Posted by Charismatic View Post
    Define misogynist. If you're referring to me, it doesn't really seem to fit.
    I don't dislike, despise nor am I strongly prejudiced against women. The infantilsation of women is actually something I despise (as it allows them to unduely shift responsibility as evidenced by this conversation even happening) . I also despise feminism (because it is the vehicle that drives this), but lets not conflate the ideology with the sex.

    We have an issue on our hands where quite literally everyone is seeing the same thing. We understand that we have a social issue puts the man's entire livelihood at risk but the best thing anyone can say about it is "good luck young man". Are you fucking kidding me? How's about challenging the status quo? I quite literally do not understand how you people's brains operate. It makes absolutely no sense that this is defensible.
    We do have an issue on our hands. It stems from the toxic societal norms about women's and men's sexuality, and creates expectations of behaviour that is harmful for everyone. Your problem is you choose to ignore these cultural norms and instead victim-blame. Let's move past the fact that you're once again bringing up false rape allegations, which we established were statistically equivalent to being striked by lightning. It's soo ironic that you bring up challenging the status quo; it is being challenged, by feminism. Feminism is the only movement that cares about truly liberating women's sexuality, which would completely eliminate the problems associated with "token resistance" or whatever bullshit. I always like to remark about how funny it is that MRAs don't realize that feminism addresses most, if not all of their concerns.

    It's for these reasons combined with your posting history that I call you a misogynist.
    PS. Look at your fucking signature.

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    Maz, there are plenty of intelligent women in this very thread that have bitched about feminism's new tendency to be sex negative. They aren't imagining it.

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    Third-wave feminism is sex positive you moron. Your views on feminism dates back to the 80's.

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    It's funny how every time how Mazmaz posts about how enlightened he is as a result of being a feminist that he ends up doing the exact opposite and being a hypocrite about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazmaz View Post
    Third-wave feminism is sex positive you moron. Your views on feminism dates back to the 80's.
    My bad that feminists are so fucking confused that feminism simultaneously holds all possible positions on a given subject. Perhaps you should work on getting all the people that identify as feminists and write books and shit on the same page.

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    To add a sexist (but hilarious) joke, it's almost as if feminism changes its mind more often than women do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    "Catching charges" or crying rape isn't something that anybody besides a rapist should be thinking about. If a regular dude worries about that sort of thing on the day to day they're going to have a poor history&future with women. It's fear mongering

    If this is in your head then "token resistance" or whatever bullshit the women throws at you will scare you off
    Follow archie's simple suggestions and you have nothing to worry about. If you want to do risky and potentially terrible things, then hell yes you should be worried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hey View Post
    Follow archie's simple suggestions
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    Quote Originally Posted by archibaldcrane View Post
    You aren't going to "catch a case" if you read the situation correctly.

    Good luck to you, young men.
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    Good luck young man.
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    You are saying that "token resistance" is a thing, right? I agree with you, sometimes no means "try harder".

    Just make sure you are right, or your rape is going to be a problem.
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    That's where were at, right? I'm not saying you have to like it, but here we are, yes?
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    Basically the guy started from the position of needing explicit verbal consent for everything, and gradually learned how to read non-verbal cues successfully.

    Sounds like a success story to me. (and I know that feel bro)
    Quote Originally Posted by archibaldcrane View Post
    If I was better at sorting out token from actual resistance when I was younger, I would've lost my virginity before I was 23. But I was cautious, and somehow managed not to "catch any charges" fucking 30 some odd women since then.

    Until you're ready to separate the wheat from the chaff of resistance, you're best off getting explicit consent for everything.

    Once you're good at it, nothing to worry about.
    Quote Originally Posted by archibaldcrane View Post
    It's not painful for me because

    A: I don't rape women
    B: I don't fuck women I don't trust

    They are helpful guidelines for life, and I recommend everyone avoid "painful cognitive dissonance" by following them.

    P.S. A woman doesn't have to have put up any resistance at all to lie about being raped. Fucking someone you don't trust even at the most basic "she won't lie about me committing a felony" level is not a good idea.
    The closest thing to a suggestion is "good luck young man"


    No wait, "no means try harder". Great suggestion, I guess the follow up to that is "good luck not getting raped in prison young man"? Unless the girls you fuck lack any sense of self-worth and just decide to give up telling you no and "go with it", or you drug them and they cant remember. This feels vaguely familiar though.


    Once again, how the fuck did "all drunk sex is rape, because its impossible to give consent when drunk" go to "no means yes"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hey View Post
    Follow archie's simple suggestions and you have nothing to worry about. If you want to do risky and potentially terrible things, then hell yes you should be worried.
    You know you're pushing a fear angle onto sex for young guys by saying things like this? I'm don't think that's healthy for anybody. Plus, it's kind of marginalizing actual rape...


    And Mazmaz, isn't it the feminism of today that tries to shame guys who don't get verbal consent or have sex while drunk by calling it all rape? Sure, I see that in a vacuum feminism stands for good things... but isn't it getting a whole lot of negative BS associated with it because of "feminists" who go around fear mongering and shaming guys?

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    Advocating for proper consent education does not equal shaming.

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    The only thing that is and should be shamed is the system of patriarchy that continues to perpetuate harmful images upon men, which state that they need to be "manly tough macho men who take what they want without asking", something that I hope you can clearly see was parroted by Salodin, Nynja, and Chari in this very thread. It's something that is harmful to all genders, albeit in different ways.

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    What? lol
    you're fucking high man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazmaz View Post
    Advocating for proper consent education does not equal shaming.
    Oh, so you don't agree with archis "no means yes if you read minds".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazmaz View Post
    PS. Look at your fucking signature.
    That's a girl punching her so...equality? I also laughed at that scene, shit was funny. I doubt it has anything to do with her being a girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elcura View Post
    That's a girl punching her so...equality? I also laughed at that scene, shit was funny. I doubt it has anything to do with her being a girl.
    It doesn't, Madmad is desperately grasping for any straws.
    The scene

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    Isn't MRA God Warren Farrell the king of the "no might mean yes"? Shouldn't you guys like all have it tatted over your heart. Come on bros, before it was called date rape it was called exciting!

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    I was planning on using the part near the end where the mom comes out of the machine for my next sigatar. Please review and tell me whether or not that would be misogynist, Mazmaz. :^)



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    Quote Originally Posted by tyven View Post
    Isn't MRA God Warren Farrell the king of the "no might mean yes"? Shouldn't you guys like all have it tatted over your heart. Come on bros, before it was called date rape it was called exciting!
    You are so right. Here's a bunch of feminists that agree with you.


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    While I enjoy that video... I also love the insinuation that if you agree with some things a person says you must certainly agree with everything they say.
    tyven, I love you bro, but there's a gaping crater of a hole in your logic.

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    bro im just trying to help you guys that are afraid of accidentally date raping

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    Ah, but you see, I never said what my actual feelings on the matter are. I merely asked why shouldn't guys be afraid.
    There's certainly ways around the deal that satisfy everyone like asking "Yeah, you want it don't you?" or pretending to be the one withholding until the chick tells you she wants it or any number of other things that may work depending on the woman. You get your consent, she doesn't think of you as a wussy baby.

    Fact is though, even knowing and even being able to play the game... I don't feel its something that should have to happen. I'm still going to say that.
    Of course you abide by the rules but that doesn't mean you have to think they are right. Shit you're doing here? Ain't a good look, homie.

    The real way you could help dudes is by being their advocate rather than antagonising.

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