Feminism Thread

**Charismatic** · 2014-10-23 12:08

Originally Posted by Salodin

My fav part of the thread is when people claim this is a non problem, and chari is over here like "uhhh this has already happened to me and my uncle".

Most people are selfish. If something isn't a problem for them its not a problem. Look at every one of archie's posts (that's definitely not something that's confined to this thread either, keep it in mind as you read his posts in any thread) with that lens and you'll understand him a lot better.

...which reminds me, I should probably go back to ignoring him. I don't know why I stopped.

**tyven** · 2014-10-23 12:14

agreed. i have had just about enough of archi and his fucking bleeding heart liberal bias. such a fucking selfish asshole

**Charismatic** · 2014-10-23 12:15

Originally Posted by tyven

his fucking bleeding heart liberal bias.

lol, that's not what it is at all.

**Corresapolonia** · 2014-10-23 12:55

Shit in America is getting more funny by the weeks. 500l$ spent for a study why fat girls have a hard time getting dates. LOL

**BaneTheBrawler** · 2014-10-23 12:55

Originally Posted by Charismatic

Most people are selfish. If something isn't a problem for them its not a problem.

there is a point in my post history where i stop taking GD/poopdeck seriously and start posting in spam. that point is when i realized GD/poopdeck is just a cycle of the same people spewing the same bullshit over and over and over and only like 2-3 people ever actually come around to a new viewpoint. it's like the Eternal Conflict, except instead of good/evil it's stupid/more stupid.

**RKenshin** · 2014-10-23 13:32

Originally Posted by archibaldcrane

Rkenshin in most cases yeah. I dated a girl like 6 years ago who wanted me to force her. I'd have to literally wrestle her to the ground, pin her and avoid headbutts and shit. (she nearly broke my nose once lol)

But I knew it was what she wanted, and I trusted that her hyper-bruising ginger ass wouldn't "cry rape" because I don't fuck sociopaths.

Oh I don't deny at all that some people want it like that, but again this is after establishing trust and usually knowing it to be the case. You wouldn't have done that with her the first time you met her (as you said in a following post), which is my point.

Originally Posted by Charismatic

You say this, but isn't the narrative that's being pushed that its still 'rape'? That's what the whole California yes means yes thing is all about. (it places too much burden on the accused)
You say it like its common knowledge when there's laws on the books that say otherwise. What you say sounds nice but ignores the reality of the world around us.

I'm not really sure what you're implying?

If a situation goes down like this:
1. Man and woman kissing, in bed, getting frisky.
2. Man goes to remove her pants, woman casually whispers no.
3. Man tries it anyway, woman goes from casually whispering no to forcefully saying no and/or yelling no and/or ending the night and/or tries to leave, fight, etc.
4a: Man continues to do it anyway, fights her off, forces sex on her all the while she objects.
4b: Man stops and they leave it at that.

Going from #3 to 4a is rape.

#3 to 4b isn't rape, not even by the laws currently on the books. At best it could potentially be sexual assault by a very desperate stretch, but even that is unlikely and wtf are you doing going to third base with crazy.

**NynJa** · 2014-10-23 13:47

Except 3 is also considered rape, since you're pursuing after the woman said no. At minimum, its attempted rape.

Nothing would probably come of it, considering the "no rapes get charged anyways" narrative found here, but you're still pursuing after the woman said no, and theres a chance your life might get turned inside out over it.

**Salodin** · 2014-10-23 13:53

Originally Posted by NynJa

Except 3 is also considered rape, since you're pursuing after the woman said no. At minimum, its attempted rape.

Nothing would probably come of it, considering the "no rapes get charged anyways" narrative found here, but you're still pursuing after the woman said no.

This thread established long ago that 3 is where rape starts.

**Priran** · 2014-10-23 13:55

Originally Posted by tyven

btw Kyle Wagner of Deadspin and Arthur Chu of just being an awesome person are killing it on NPR right now.

"of course anita cherry picks" "I only meant to mock #notyourshield" "I'm not here to play games with 'statistics'" "[blatantly lying and implying zoe quinn's nude photos were private & leaked instead of taken and hosted for profit]" "[hurriedly changing topic off gamejournopros]" yeah what a blowout

congrats gamergate on getting breitbart on your side, WHAT A VICTORY

5 minutes to talk out of an hour-long show, only person on the show to make a concise logical argument backed by anything other than pure feels, I'd call it a victory

**RKenshin** · 2014-10-23 13:55

In what case is #3 considered rape?

It is defined in many jurisdictions as sexual intercourse, or other forms of sexual penetration, initiated by a person against another person without the consent of that person.[24] The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime defines it as "sexual intercourse without valid consent,"[6][25] and the World Health Organization defined it in 2002 as "physically forced or otherwise coerced penetration – even if slight – of the vulva or anus, using a penis, other body parts or an object".[26]

**NynJa** · 2014-10-23 13:56

sexual assault, happy?

**RKenshin** · 2014-10-23 13:58

That's exactly what I said in my original post...

Originally Posted by RKenshin

At best it could potentially be sexual assault by a very desperate stretch, but even that is unlikely and wtf are you doing going to third base with crazy.

**hey** · 2014-10-23 13:58

Originally Posted by RKenshin

It's not like it's typical for a woman to just sit back and let rape happen after a lightly whispered "no" as the only resistance. Pro-tip: This may change if you have a weapon or are being overly aggressive/threatening, which if you are, congrats on being a dumbass and enjoy your rape charges.

It does happen though. Just because you don't think you are being aggressive/threatening doesn't mean they don't think you are. Sometimes women won't put up any fight at all, and even go along with it because they are afraid (justified or not), and think rape is preferable to murder. It's not hard to imagine someone being worried about that possibility with someone who she doesn't know well, and continues after she says no. If i was in that situation, where i was really afraid of the person (again, justified or not), i can definitely see myself going along with it, because there is always a risk they could get violent if i don't, and there's no way i could defend myself. It's not always easy to determine if someone is just an idiot and ignoring your "no" because they just really want to have sex, and that is clouding their judgement and making them think you really meant yes or because they don't care that you said no, and intend to rape you. Even attempting to determine which could be bad if it's the latter.

Most of the time, of course they will do more than just say no once, but the thing is, they won't always. It is your responsibility to determine if they are actually willing.

Originally Posted by Salodin

My fav part of the thread is when people claim this is a non problem, and chari is over here like "uhhh this has already happened to me and my uncle".

My gripe is that people understand this is a problem, but men are expected to deal with it and learn to use it to get my dick wet. I don't mind, because the sex has always been great, but the double standard is ludicrous.

I'd cry misandry, but then I know I'd have to deal with Mazmaz, and he's already crying over terrorist attacks in his country that according to him aren't actually terrorist attacks.

It's also problem if you don't bother to make sure you are not in fact raping someone.

**tyven** · 2014-10-23 14:03

Originally Posted by Priran

"of course anita cherry picks" "I only meant to mock #notyourshield" "I'm not here to play games with 'statistics'" "[blatantly lying and implying zoe quinn's nude photos were private & leaked instead of taken and hosted for profit]" "[hurriedly changing topic off gamejournopros]" yeah what a blowout

5 minutes to talk out of an hour-long show, only person on the show to make a concise logical argument backed by anything other than pure feels, I'd call it a victory

pls join us in the recently reopened gamergate thread

**RKenshin** · 2014-10-23 14:08

Originally Posted by hey

It does happen though. Just because you don't think you are being aggressive/threatening doesn't mean they don't think you are. Sometimes women won't put up any fight at all, and even go along with it because they are afraid (justified or not), and think rape is preferable to murder. It's not hard to imagine someone being worried about that possibility with someone who she doesn't know well, and continues after she says no. If i was in that situation, where i was really afraid of the person (again, justified or not), i can definitely see myself going along with it, because there is always a risk they could get violent if i don't, and there's no way i could defend myself. It's not always easy to determine if someone is just an idiot and ignoring your "no" because they just really want to have sex, and that is clouding their judgement and making them think you really meant yes or because they don't care that you said no, and intend to rape you. Even attempting to determine which could be bad if it's the latter.

It definitely does happen, I admitted as much in the post you quoted - just adding that it's not typical.

My point is just that in most cases it would be pretty obvious, and in cases where it isn't then you should be [especially] careful and following the points Archi mentioned (and I reiterated). Or well, you should pretty much always follow it, at least on some level.

**Charismatic** · 2014-10-23 14:10

And no one thinks there is a huge problem when you can 'accidentally rape' someone while playing by the exact same rules you do normally even if it isn't typical?

Welp. I'll just let you guys have this one.

**Correction** · 2014-10-23 14:10

Originally Posted by Salodin

My fav part of the thread is when people claim this is a non problem, and chari is over here like "uhhh this has already happened to me and my uncle".

The prevalence of false rape claims is not higher than false claims of any other crime. Ideally you tackle the larger problem like grown men and women not understanding what rape is or how it occurs. It wasn't until 2011 that the FBI's definition of rape was expanded to include statutory, same sex, forced oral, etc. There's a false sense that knowing what constitutes consent is 'common knowledge' and therefore things like the California Title IX revisions are pointless and will only imprison more helpless, innocent dudes who just want to make sure she meant it when she said no.

**Priran** · 2014-10-23 14:13

Originally Posted by tyven

pls join us in the recently reopened gamergate thread

if you're saying gamergate isn't allowed in this thread as of you getting the last word then whatever but nah m8, think I'll take a pass on the b8

**NynJa** · 2014-10-23 14:14

Originally Posted by hey

It's also problem if you don't bother to make sure you are not in fact raping someone.

Except the bros in here are saying "no actually means yes", so they've deluded themselves into thinking its not rape, because they've morally convinced themselves that because she's just saying no, but not fighting, she just meant "I really want it". Which is fucking hypocritical considering these same people were saying "drunk sex is rape, yes even if she tied you down and fucked you all night, you still raped her because she was drunk, because drunk people cant consent".

Drunk people cant conscent, therefor its implied no.
Sober girl saying "no", therefor its implied "yes".

**tyven** · 2014-10-23 14:22

Originally Posted by Priran

if you're saying gamergate isn't allowed in this thread as of you getting the last word then whatever but nah m8, think I'll take a pass on the b8

the gamergate thread was reoponed so that people can continue herpderping here about how hard it is to not accidentally rape someone. i would love to have a general discourse with you on operation disrespectful nod as my career began in grassroots and it is the one part of GG i find intriguing.

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