Feminism Thread

[tyven]

yea, i wasn't associating it with you in particular, i just feel like its been mentioned multiple times as normal. like I know pent said it, maybe ksandra, and it's got me thinking like who the fuck is going around blessing all these people and why is no one blessing me.

[Kuya]

I just read an article on Salon both about affirmative consent and the cat calling and I read something I found instructive:

My response to both of those arguments, which I consider to be made entirely in bad faith, is that if women are asking men to think about how they behave around them — asking men to consider them as people before they consider them as sexual prospects — men should try listening. Maybe sit with it and see what happens. If women are asking men to read cues (face cast downward on the street usually means “leave me alone” or “I’m thinking about something”) and wait for some signal that your commentary or sexual advance is welcome before making it, then men should try doing that. It is actually not hard and will not ruin anyone’s life in any way.

Maybe the central discomfort women have regarding both topics is that they want to be treated and seen as people first before being treated as sexual conquests?

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/30/amer...ium=socialflow

[Charismatic]

I just read an article on Salon both about affirmative consent and the cat calling and I read something I found instructive:

Maybe the central discomfort women have regarding both topics is that they want to be treated and seen as people first before being treated as sexual conquests?

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/30/amer...ium=socialflow

Word. I feel that; that's why a lot of the comments the dudes made in the video didn't really seem to fit since dudes weren't really saying anything sexual for the most part.
I fully understand why someone might not like the American Eagle comment or dudes following or mofos straight up going to the beauty off top but a lot of what was in the video wasn't that.

So don't get me wrong, I don't really think dudes ought to be coming up and immediately talking about breasts, legs and thighs like homegirl is literally a piece of meat. That's fucked up and I can totally understand why someone would resent that. Ya'll should actually read my posts and see that I'm only worried about the innocuous stuff being lumped in with it.

[Salodin]

That's not too much to ask for, but then again were cherry picking minorities that probably don't know better.

[Xajii]

I just read an article on Salon both about affirmative consent and the cat calling and I read something I found instructive:

Maybe the central discomfort women have regarding both topics is that they want to be treated and seen as people first before being treated as sexual conquests?

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/30/amer...ium=socialflow

in b4 muh biology

[quannum]

maz's favorite news outlet's take on the video

[tyven]

more like the young tits amirite

[quannum]

god bless that chest

[NynJa]

misogynist pigs

[hey]

I know cat calling isn't pleasant and is rather uncouth but I don't see how these videos affect any sort of change. I think the way to affect change isn't to ignore like she did, but to address it and tell said person that's not how you should talk to fellow human beings. I'm speaking about the vulgar things people say or the "hey beautiful"s that get thrown around, not the god bless and good day.

Because talking to people individually is the single stupidest way you could possibly go about changing something like this. Talking to one person is pointless when you can post a video and a blog post and have 17.5 million people watch it in 2 days.

It's easy to say no one is swayed by stuff like this, but that's pure bullshit. People DO change their minds, and come to realize that it's more harmful than they thought. If even .01% of people who watched the video come to realize that, then that's still a decent number of people.

[Abandon]

yeah, because a heavily-edited youtube video is really going to do the trick. fuck outta here.

[notorious bum]

Cat calling may appear to "work" in the ghetto where you're from, but best believe that only works on a small minority of the stereotypical hoodrat type. My life-long experience from living in the shittiest parts of Tampa is only anecdotal, but cat calling is always accepted as fuckboy strategy, usually coming from a dude who is an outlier and/or a bum with nothing but his "charm".

That shit especially doesn't fly if the females you're cat calling are from a neighborhood where you're obviously not familiar with, then, suddenly you get dealt with the fury of a thousand Jerry Springer audience members, and possibly end-up losing a few bodies in your own corner, before retreating with more embarrassment than your grandma walking-in on you while watching a WSHH Vine comp.

[hey]

yeah, because a heavily-edited youtube video is really going to do the trick. fuck outta here.

I think it is has done an amazing job getting people to talk about the issue. If you seriously think there's not a single person in the entire world who can ever have their mind changed by something they see on the internet, then 1) you're retarded and 2) why are you here?

[Penthesilea]

Because talking to people individually is the single stupidest way you could possibly go about changing something like this. Talking to one person is pointless when you can post a video and a blog post and have 17.5 million people watch it in 2 days.

It's easy to say no one is swayed by stuff like this, but that's pure bullshit. People DO change their minds, and come to realize that it's more harmful than they thought. If even .01% of people who watched the video come to realize that, then that's still a decent number of people.

1750 people isn't a decent number of people. And how many of the 17.5m who viewed it are actual catcalling misogynists.

[NynJa]

I think it is has done an amazing job getting people to talk about the issue.

Yeah, getting people to laugh at those who consider "hi" harassment.

why do you think the voting of the video is hidden?

[hey]

1750 people isn't a decent number of people.

You have to start somewhere. And it's a hell of a lot better than you could do by talking to cat callers individually.

And that even a decent number of people who viewed it are actual catcalling misogynists.

Doesn't matter of they were or not. Either way, it got people talking about it, and that is always good. It also could convince non-catcallers that it is a serious problem rather than just a bit rude, which could result in them calling out others for cat calling when they see it.

[NynJa]

Either way, it got people talking about it, and that is always good.

once again, its mostly in negative light. Was there stuf in that video thats a problem: yes. Did she include stuff thats not a problem and calls it a problem? yes. Faulting outgoing people for being outgoing is fucking stupid.

I'll make a video about how fat bitches walking around in tight clothing is harassing my eyes.

[BaneTheBrawler]

man you must have hated Navi in ocarina of time, Hey

[Penthesilea]

You have to start somewhere. And it's a hell of a lot better than you could do by talking to cat callers individually.

Doesn't matter of they were or not. Either way, it got people talking about it, and that is always good. It also could convince non-catcallers that it is a serious problem rather than just a bit rude, which could result in them calling out others for cat calling when they see it.

I would think, based on the numbers of reported "cat calling" that by telling the person who cat calls you, you'd have more impact. If, as suggested that all women get catcalled at a rate of 6 times per hour, they'd be more effective than a video.

Also isn't the bolded part feeding into Damsel in Distress trope? Can't women do this on their own without a hero coming to save the day?

[Abandon]

I think it is has done an amazing job getting people to talk about the issue. If you seriously think there's not a single person in the entire world who can ever have their mind changed by something they see on the internet, then 1) you're retarded and 2) why are you here?

lol