Feminism Thread

[NynJa]

Back to the NYC video...since we've established that it happens to good looking women AND men...Theres one avenue that hasnt been covered yet:

didnt someone make a video recently of a dude leaning against a sports car and doing that and a girl got all cised then he walked over to his actual junky car and she was like peace out boyscout

How about a video showing a very attractive successful man, do the exact same catcalls, and see how these women reply, if its still considered "annoying and harassing"?

[Mazmaz]

And what would that prove? Do you just sit in your little cave and just think of stupid random thought experiments all day?

[hey]

So we're in agreement then that "hi" or "god bless" are not harassment. The woman in the video did just as you indicated by not responding. The guys who followed/kept at it were definitely harassing though.

Say it with me:

Talking to someone you reasonably believe may be interested in talking is fine.
Talking to someone you reasonably believe may be interested in talking is fine.
Talking to someone you reasonably believe may be interested in talking is fine.
Talking to someone you reasonably believe may be interested in talking is fine.
Talking to someone you reasonably believe may be interested in talking is fine.

[NynJa]

And what would that prove? Do you just sit in your little cave and just think of stupid random thought experiments all day?

Gee I dont know, just the fact that its not catcalling or getting hit on in public thats a problem, its getting it from ugly broke people thats "a problem".



Unrelated to video:
A pretty girl is walking down the street. A guy who looks like Channing Tatum says "hi", she looks at him, smiles, but she keeps walking. Two blocks later, a guy who looks like Jack Black says "hi", she looks at him and gets upset because she now feels harassed. These two guys did the exact same thing, but only one of them incited rage in her. I'm sure the haters are going to say "thats so fucking stupid, that would never happen, you're an idiot, go kill yourself", just like "only women get talked to in the streets, never men".

[Mazmaz]

Gee I dont know, just the fact that its not catcalling or getting hit on in public thats a problem, its getting it from ugly broke people thats "a problem".

Again, why would that video prove this? We already knew that catcalling and street harassment are a problem. The NYC video was made to show it to pea-brain idiots like yourself, which obviously it didn't work. It was a PSA, not some evidence based study.

[tyven]

I used to love this thread, now I hate this thread

[quannum]

the only thing that video showed was that feminists don't understand poor people culture.

[notorious bum]

I used to love this thread, now I hate this thread

"I hate this song, but you love this song."

Life's not a bitch! Life is a beautiful woman
You only call her a bitch because she won't let you get that pussy.
Maybe she didn't feel y'all shared any similar interests
Or maybe you're just an asshole who couldn't sweet talk the princess.

[NynJa]

Again, why would that video prove this? We already knew that catcalling and street harassment are a problem. The NYC video was made to show it to pea-brain idiots like yourself, which obviously it didn't work. It was a PSA, not some evidence based study.

Yeah, the video was made to show "pea-brain idiots" like myself what poor innocent women go through on a daily basis. Then some dude made a video to show that its not just women who deal with it. As said here:

"Pretty people problems" and whatnot.

And once again, what happens when the male doing the "problematic catcalling and street harassment" is a very attractive male?

[archibaldcrane]

To be fair, Brad Pitt has a reasonable belief that every woman would like to converse with him.

[notorious bum]

No, We Don’t Need a Law Against Catcalling
By Liliana Segura
@lilianasegura

Feminists of color have long criticized Hollaback’s tactics for having precisely this effect, of casting black and brown men as congenital predators, thus perpetuating their criminalization (in a tradition going back hundreds of years). In New York, where the fight over stop-and-frisk is not over, such activism currently coincides with policing that punishes youth of color for dancing on the subway or uses bullhorns to shoo black students out of affluent Park Slope. Discussing the Hollaback video on his radio show, Geraldo Rivera asked Rudy Giuliani if it was proof of the city’s moral decay, with both men agreeing that street harassment should be seen as analogous to graffiti — a policing priority under New York Police Commander Bill Bratton. In the meantime, not far from where I live, a group of “concerned residents, business owners, artists and civic croups” called Gowanus United is closing ranks around gentrifying spaces in the name of public safety, raising alarms against a parole complex slated to open next year “within a half-mile radius” of “our streets, buses and subways.”

It is in this context—a battle against criminal intrusion on our space—that the world presented by the Hollaback video (and by extension, the Times) is most insidious.

[quannum]

teach feminists to be activists for real socioeconomic change.

[Rhinox]

Are we comparing conversations with the barber you voluntarily choose to frequent with hollering at bitches on the street, and people are taking this comparison seriously?

I pay for the service not the conversation.

[Rhinox]

But I guess I deserve the harassment apparently cause I chose to go there.

#victim

[NynJa]

Is the barbershop a designated hookup zone?

[BaneTheBrawler]

I used to love this thread, now I hate this thread

me, too

[hey]

But I guess I deserve the harassment apparently cause I chose to go there.

#victim

Most people like to talk to the person cutting their hair when they do. If you don't, just let them know, and they will stop. If you act like it doesn't bother you, then they have no way of knowing that it does. If they don't stop, then there's a problem.

Again, if you have a good reason to think a person might be interested in talking to you, then it's fine to do so, until they say otherwise. It's only a problem if either they say or otherwise indicate they don't want to and they don't stop, or if there's no good reason to think they might want to talk.

[Penthesilea]

Say it with me:

Talking to someone you reasonably believe may be interested in talking is fine.
Talking to someone you reasonably believe may be interested in talking is fine.
Talking to someone you reasonably believe may be interested in talking is fine.
Talking to someone you reasonably believe may be interested in talking is fine.
Talking to someone you reasonably believe may be interested in talking is fine.

If someone has ears and a mouth and I want to speak with them I'm going to attempt to do so. If they don't want to talk to me, they'll indicate such.

[Mazmaz]

If someone has ears and a mouth and I want to speak with them I'm going to attempt to do so. If they don't want to talk to me, they'll indicate such.

AWWWWWWWWWW YEAAAAAAA ALL THIS MALE PRIVILEGE FEEEEEEEEELS SOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOD

[Salodin]

It's like you ignored the video of women doing it to men too. Are we not in agreement that it's a pretty people problem?

Edit: to mazmaz