Feminism Thread

[Gokku]

I'm saying try to assess the situation before immediately going "I have the right to start talking to this person whether they want me to or not." If their body language, or what they're doing, or having headphones on, or whatever says "don't talk to me" then don't fucking try to talk to them, they're probably saying "leave me alone". If they appear open to conversation, then go for it, but if they make it clear, whether physically or verbally that they aren't interested and you persist anyways, you're in the wrong.

What do you do if the person has resting bitch face? Since my roommate and another friend have it.

[Qalbert]

Please answer my question. All it takes is a yes or no.

It's not a simple yes or no because the situation has nuances you are clearly ignoring in order to try to get me to give you the answer you so desperately seek. If someone is already expressing that they do not wish to interact with you, and you try to interact anyways then yes, it's fucking harassment. if someone is not expressing their desire to be left alone, then starting an interaction is not harassment, but continuing an interaction, when it is clear they do not want it, is harassment. This isn't hard to grasp. In most cases saying "Hi" to someone is fine, but when you go up to someone with headphones on, or someone who is clearly trying to avoid people, or someone in a hurry, or someone whose body language says "leave me alone" then talking to them is harassing them because it's apparent they do not wish to interact. They've made it clear they aren't interested, so fuck off.

[Correction]

feminism calls everything a microaggression or abuse (if not full rape) and says that it should be up to accused rapists to prove a negative in court (if they're afforded due process at all).

Speaking of stupid, tiresome and repetitive schticks...

[Charismatic]

It's not a simple yes or no because the situation has nuances you are clearly ignoring in order to try to get me to give you the answer you so desperately seek. If someone is already expressing that they do not wish to interact with you, and you try to interact anyways then yes, it's fucking harassment. if someone is not expressing their desire to be left alone, then STARTING an interaction is not harassment, CONTINUING an interaction, when it is clear they do not want it, is harassment. This isn't hard to grasp. In most cases saying "Hi" to someone is fine, but when you go up to someone with headphones on, or someone who is clearly trying to avoid people, or someone in a hurry, or someone whose body language says "leave me alone" then talking to them is harassing them. They've made it clear they aren't interested, so fuck off.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. It truly is as simple of a question as it was asked.
Do you apply this logic to simply saying hello to another individual (and we're not talking about people with obvious signifiers of disinterest like headphones etc)?

[Qalbert]

What do you do if the person has resting bitch face? Since my roommate and another friend have it.

I err on the side of respecting perceived boundaries. If someone looks like they're uninterested better to assume they don't want to talk and I miss out on random small talk, than to assume the opposite and be irritating/making someone uncomfortable.

[Qalbert]

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. It truly is as simple of a question as it was asked.
Do you apply this logic to simply saying hello to another individual (and we're not talking about people with obvious signifiers of disinterest like headphones etc)?

If someone has no obvious signifiers saying not to approach them then saying hi is not harassment, I've said this. Only interaction after it's clear they aren't interested in interacting is harassment. That doesn't mean walking up to a random person and starting a conversation can't be annoying. Some people just don't like talking to strangers on the street, and it's pretty fucking egotistical for you to dismiss that and say they have to deal with it because you feel it's your right to talk to them. It's their right to think you're being an obnoxious asshole, or a weirdo, or to tell you they don't want to talk .

[Priran]

Speaking of stupid, tiresome and repetitive schticks...

"Yes there are feminists who support looney toons garbage like 'guilty until proven innocent' for rapists, but I'm tired of hearing about it so your argument is invalid."

That's nice, but what you seem to be doing is dragging individual feminist personalities into this discussion and using their personal moral failings as some sort of evidence for feminism's inherent problems. But since feminism doesn't have a a treatise on masturbating next to your sister, the attempt to link the two topics by the hairs makes little sense and is highly dishonest on your part. That kind of dishonesty is precisely what makes this thread so awful and so toxic to work with.

If you really want to discuss lena, you should make a separate thread for it as it honestly has little to do with the topic itself.

Well, as several people pointed out and perhaps you might have read if you weren't so busy being dishonest yourself, it does demonstrate inherent problems in feminism because "Supports Lena" and "Condemns Lena" might as well be synonymous with "White feminists" and "Minority feminists" respectively.

[Charismatic]

If someone has no obvious signifiers saying not to approach them then saying hi is not harassment, I've said this. Only interaction after it's clear they aren't interested in interacting is harassment. That doesn't mean walking up to a random person and starting a conversation can't be annoying. Some people just don't like talking to strangers on the street, and it's pretty fucking egotistical for you to dismiss that and say they have to deal with it because you feel it's your right to talk to them. It's their right to think you're being an obnoxious asshole, or a weirdo, or to tell you they don't want to talk .

Dunno why you ever started arguing with me then. You are arguing about stuff I didn't originally say and don't particularly care about.
We can end this here.

[tyven]

in case anyone is wondering, i am back to loving this thread

[Kuya]

"Yes there are feminists who support looney toons garbage like 'guilty until proven innocent' for rapists, but I'm tired of hearing about it so your argument is invalid."



Well, as several people pointed out and perhaps you might have read if you weren't so busy being dishonest yourself, it does demonstrate inherent problems in feminism because "Supports Lena" and "Condemns Lena" might as well be synonymous with "White feminists" and "Minority feminists" respectively.

The problem is, the only possible way you could support that statement were if you actually had statistics on hand to back it up, but since you don't it remains mere conjecture that you wish were true to justify tying the lena topic to a general topic about feminism, given your anti-feminist agenda. Hence, dishonesty.

I'll be glad to change my mind once you get the numbers to show it's a white feminist vs. non white feminist thing.

[Mazmaz]

Guys I have a solution. From now on, you can just say hi to men and unattractive women. That way, you'll fill your "say hi to strangers" quota since you're all such gentle souls, and the probabilities that men or unattractive women are uncomfortable with your hi is much lower, since they're not used to getting that shit every 6 minutes.

[Lyall]

Guys I have a solution. From now on, you can just say hi to men and unattractive women. That way, you'll fill your "say hi to strangers" quota since you're all such gentle souls, and the probabilities that men or unattractive women are uncomfortable with your hi is much lower, since they're not used to getting that shit every 6 minutes.

All women are beautiful, you shitlord.

[tyven]

wat about men tho

[notorious bum]

Dunno why you ever started arguing with me then. You are arguing about stuff I didn't originally say and don't particularly care about.
We can end this here.

Gee, this line sounds awfully familiar. Nuance is lost on this one, Qal. You have a reading comprehension problem because you didn't play his game of political debate correctly. Going beyond surface-level discussion is against the rules when arguing about feminism. Hence, so few articles like the one I posted from the Intercept actually exist.

[Lyall]

wat about men tho

You signature sums it up. The Packers were just trying to have a conversation.

[NynJa]

Can we still use the term "Designated hookup zone", or would that qualify as "circular topic"?

[tyven]

i think designated hookup zone has a long fruitful life ahead of it. its basically gonna be the new war zone

[BaneTheBrawler]

Guys I have a solution. From now on, you can just say hi to men and unattractive women. That way, you'll fill your "say hi to strangers" quota since you're all such gentle souls, and the probabilities that men or unattractive women are uncomfortable with your hi is much lower, since they're not used to getting that shit every 6 minutes.

what about unattractive men?

[notorious bum]

Is designated hook-up zone kinda like those cool media pens or "free speech areas" like they had in Ferguson? If so, that would be hilarious. I'm in.

[Rhinox]

Yeah hey you know what it sure is interesting that I'm condemning those who are using feminism as a shield for sexual abuse. I wonder if some other group who was feeling unfairly tarred were condemning members who perpetrate death threats, casual misogyny and vocally and non-anonymously used their platform to promote a clear set of positive changes for the greater good. Oh wait, they still can't shut the fuck up about Zoe Quinn and pretend either death threats are faked or not legitimate because the women targeted haven't died yet.

Ouch. Did I strike a nerve? Apologies.