Feminism Thread

[Rhinox]

I'll say this. If you want to shit on the guy for wearing an unprofessional shirt to a press conference that's fine but you can kindly go fuck yourself if you like the other perpetual Umbrage takers are suggesting there's a hidden meaning to this.

[Priran]

It's really about women in engineering.

Is that too meta? Whatever. Enough about making a pioneer in space exploration cry because you didn't like his shirt, let's wonder more about why "feminism" is almost at 50% of all votes in Time's worst words poll.

[Charismatic]

It's really about women in engineering.

Is that too meta? Whatever. Enough about making a pioneer in space exploration cry because you didn't like his shirt, let's wonder more about why "feminism" is almost at 50% of all votes in Time's worst words poll.

I'd like to think that people are starting to wake up and notice that its a toxic ideology supported only by false logic that seeks to craft a victim narrative for women while encouraging them to act like adult infants.
I'd like to think that, but I know that most people still don't see that. The number is growing though. The last few years have been pretty good.


My favorite thing about feminism is that its supposed to be empowering for women but time and again (and you can see it with this whole shirt business too), feminists are the only ones treating women as if they have no agency. No one else seems to think that women are weak-willed enough to be sent home packing because some dude had a shirt with women on it and yet its everyone else that is the problem.

[Priran]

My favorite is how confrontational and self-defeating feminists are. Becoming a feminist is a lot like the advice people give in movies about going to prison; On your first day, pick the most famous innocuous thing you can think of and make huge leaps and contortions of logic to paint it as sexist/transmisogynist/ableist/racist/etc. Then you can harass everyone who doesn't agree with you like you're Regina George and prattle on about how on-the-right-side-of-history you are in relative safety. Until some new feminist comes along and judges you with some -ism of existential terribleness.

Related funfact: The guy who wrote the "this shirt is literally banning women from space" article was a GameJournoPro who left Polygon after GG exploded and only recently started writing for Verge.

[Teryu]

I'd like to think that people are starting to wake up and notice that its a toxic ideology supported only by false logic that seeks to craft a victim narrative for women while encouraging them to act like adult infants.
I'd like to think that, but I know that most people still don't see that. The number is growing though. The last few years have been pretty good.


My favorite thing about feminism is that its supposed to be empowering for women but time and again (and you can see it with this whole shirt business too), feminists are the only ones treating women as if they have no agency. No one else seems to think that women are weak-willed enough to be sent home packing because some dude had a shirt with women on it and yet its everyone else that is the problem.

Pretty much.

[Mazmaz]

Oh that explains the articles specifically talking about him, his shirt, and how it was good that he apologized. Because it was really about the larger problem all along.

From a facebook post I made:

He obviously fucked up with something that he had never considered before,
he's a scientist after all. And he apologized sincerely. But there's a
REASON why shit like this needs to be called out. There's a REASON why
no one in the entire agency even thought whether it was a bad idea to
wear that shirt to such a historic moment and be on national TV with it.
This shit is INSTITUTIONAL. The problem is that people who belong to
these communities sincerely believe that they are problem-free, and
refuse to admit gender problems within themselves. There's many
instances of white-washing problematic behaviour within these
communities simply due to the accomplishments of the individuals. Here
are some resources for you to check out about what I'm talking about. I
sincerely hope you decide to check yourself before one day you end up
scraping the bottom of internet's shit barrel, posting ridiculously
offensive crap one after another.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/markoppenhei...heist-movement

http://galileospendulum.org/2014/07/...chard-feynman/

http://mathematigal.com/home/2014/7/...is-not-my-hero

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/20...-divisiveness/

[Teryu]

Did you tell them to check their privilege.

[Priran]

From a facebook post I made:

You sound like a blast

He obviously fucked up with something that he had never considered before,
he's a scientist after all.

First, wearing a gaudy Hawaiian shirt is not the "obvious fuck-up" you might think it is. Second, "he's a scientist after all"? The fuck does that even mean?

And he apologized sincerely. But there's a
REASON why shit like this needs to be called out.

When I talk about "calling out" "shit like this", I'm normally talking about deliberate harmful acts, but continue telling me about how this isn't about meangirling this guy's shirt.

There's a REASON why no one in the entire agency even thought whether it was a bad idea to wear that shirt to such a historic moment and be on national TV with it.

Because they're well adjusted people with accomplishments

This shit is INSTITUTIONAL. The problem is that people who belong to these communities sincerely believe that they are problem-free, and refuse to admit gender problems within themselves. There's many instances of white-washing problematic behaviour within these communities simply due to the accomplishments of the individuals.

Even if you believe this guy did something wrong, he apologized a day later so I'm not sure what you're on about. And not to tu quoque but to offer an example of an actual instance of what you're talking about, "whitewashing problematic behavior" is more like people pretending Zoe Quinn isn't an emotional abuser when they run to pay her Patreon $45 grand a year or looking the other way at Jian Ghomeshi's sexual abuse so he could advance The Cause for as long as possible.

Here are some resources for you to check out about what I'm talking about. I sincerely hope you decide to check yourself before one day you end up
scraping the bottom of internet's shit barrel, posting ridiculously offensive crap one after another.

Didn't help you.

[hey]

Oh that explains the articles specifically talking about him, his shirt, and how it was good that he apologized. Because it was really about the larger problem all along.

Yes, obviously.

I'd like to think that people are starting to wake up and notice that its a toxic ideology supported only by false logic that seeks to craft a victim narrative for women while encouraging them to act like adult infants.
I'd like to think that, but I know that most people still don't see that. The number is growing though. The last few years have been pretty good.


My favorite thing about feminism is that its supposed to be empowering for women but time and again (and you can see it with this whole shirt business too), feminists are the only ones treating women as if they have no agency. No one else seems to think that women are weak-willed enough to be sent home packing because some dude had a shirt with women on it and yet its everyone else that is the problem.

No one is being sent home packing because of one shirt. The problem is they were never there to begin with because of this, and countless other things like it. Again, it's not about one shirt, that is just one tiny piece of the puzzle.

[Teryu]

Is the puzzle like, "scantily clad women on shirts is misogyny spelled backwards"?

[Priran]

[Mazmaz]

K let's take this down to the very basics. Do you guys think that wearing a shirt with scantily clad women to a professional workplace is problematic or wrong?

[Stilzkin]

K let's take this down to the very basics. Do you guys think that wearing a shirt with scantily clad women to a professional workplace is problematic or wrong?

Not inherently there isn't though it would depend on the workplace whether it was a professional choice or not.

Why should pictures of scantily clad women offend women unless there is a context for them to consider that offensive?

[Galkaeater]

Do you not want to work in a place where you can wear Rad shirts?

[Priran]

K let's take this down to the very basics. Do you guys think that wearing a shirt with scantily clad women to a professional workplace is problematic or wrong?

There's nothing more objectively wrong with wearing that shirt to work than there is with Zuckerburg wearing a grey t-shirt. If the workplace has decided that it's fine to come to work in casual attire, then you can wear goofy shirts. Or piano ties. Or sneakers. It's not high school, nobody is making political statements with their clothing and nobody should be shoved in a locker because you don't like their shirt.

[Pirian]

Do you not want to work in a place where you can wear Rad shirts?

You're just trying to get me killed, aren't you?

[hey]

There's nothing more objectively wrong with wearing that shirt to work than there is with Zuckerburg wearing a grey t-shirt. If the workplace has decided that it's fine to come to work in casual attire, then you can wear goofy shirts. Or piano ties. Or sneakers. It's not high school, nobody is making political statements with their clothing and nobody should be shoved in a locker because you don't like their shirt.

A plain grey tshirt isn't going to make anyone feel uncomfortable.

[Kuishen]

Excuse me but I'm a Greyshirt-kin and a plain grey shirt is like killing my brethren and wearing them on display for the whole world to see.

People can get offended by anything if you give them the time of day.

Kind of like what this entire thread has been.

[NynJa]

A plain grey tshirt isn't going to make anyone feel uncomfortable.

It makes me feel uncomfortable.

[hey]

It makes me feel uncomfortable.

Oh shut up, no it doesn't.