Feminism Thread

[Priran]

Is the feminism that, say, protests the hobby lobby decision "not feminism"?

You know, there's just something about these women, I can't quite put my finger on it, but it seems like this protest might not be about looking out for their right to use birth control.



Like, I dunno, it seems like their motivations might be protesting something other than reproductive rights? Like it might just be a convenient avenue of attacking something else?



Man I wish I could put my finger on it.


As an aside, weren't you posting a couple dozen pages ago about how it's up to men to not sleep with women who are likely to cry regret-rape? How far we've come.

[archibaldcrane]

I weigh the extremely limited "damage" the fringe causes against all the good and the scale breaks and then laughs at me like "dude you thought those two might balance or something"?

I mean, stay vigilant against the fringe I guess, but it seems like a ton of effort for very little gain.

[archibaldcrane]

As an aside, weren't you posting a couple dozen pages ago about how it's up to men to not sleep with women who are likely to cry regret-rape? How far we've come.

If you fear a false rape accusation, do you have another choice? I'm all ears - my suggestion is purely pragmatic.

[hey]

One time an american beat me up. Why do all americans just randomly beat people up? Americans are terrible people.

[Priran]

But it is and does. Men are not the focus of it, but there are plenty of benefits for them.

One time an american beat me up. Why do all americans just randomly beat people up? Americans are terrible people.

Where the fuck do you get off? You were in that other thread saying it's fine to cast such a wide net that you jail innocent men if it stops a real rapist or two and now you're going to argue for the male benefits of feminism? Yeah, and Kristallnacht was good for the Jews because they didn't have to spend so much time washing windows.

[hey]

lol

[Charismatic]

Where the fuck do you get off? You were in that other thread saying it's fine to cast such a wide net that you jail innocent men if it stops a real rapist or two and now you're going to argue for the male benefits of feminism? Yeah, and Kristallnacht was good for the Jews because they didn't have to spend so much time washing windows.

[Thunder]

One time an american beat me up. Why do all americans just randomly beat people up? Americans are terrible people.

lol, I realize this is sarcasm but isn't this actually what a large amount of feminist bullshit out there says about men who rape? All men are potential rapists? Men don't understand that even if they aren't a rapist they need to be aware that their presence exudes that pressure on females?

I can't get away from the fear-mongering about sex. This isn't some crazy section of feminism you can divorce yourself from when you're one of the people fear mongering sex as if you've got serious social issues or something

I'm in support of feminism as a whole, but at some point some of these "feminists" turn the whole movement into some kind of perverted way of coping with an unfulfilled life. If the world wasn't all bad that person would have to take responsibility for their predicament.. much easier to divert blame

[NynJa]

I'm in support of feminism as a whole, but at some point some of these "feminists" turn the whole movement into some kind of perverted way of coping with an unfulfilled life. If the world wasn't all bad that person would have to take responsibility for their predicament.. much easier to divert blame

Thats because theres two divisions of feminists:
You have the feminists, who actually do fight for equality, who just want to be treated on the same level as men.
And then you have the femnazis, like anita, and the ones who bullied Dr. Matt Taylor cause his shirt had cartoon women in lingerie on it. They're the ones created in this era of "whine whine whine" where you can bitch about every fucking little thing that offends you, no matter how marginal it is, thanks to social media.

[Kibble]

Calling Anita Sarkeesian a feminazi is probably offensive to actual feminazis. Her videos(and tweets!) are so mild.

[kuronosan]

I've watched her videos and feminist or not does not change the fact that she's an idiot.

[hey]

lol, I realize this is sarcasm but isn't this actually what a large amount of feminist bullshit out there says about men who rape? All men are potential rapists? Men don't understand that even if they aren't a rapist they need to be aware that their presence exudes that pressure on females?

I can't get away from the fear-mongering about sex. This isn't some crazy section of feminism you can divorce yourself from when you're one of the people fear mongering sex as if you've got serious social issues or something

I'm in support of feminism as a whole, but at some point some of these "feminists" turn the whole movement into some kind of perverted way of coping with an unfulfilled life. If the world wasn't all bad that person would have to take responsibility for their predicament.. much easier to divert blame

Potential means just that: potential. It doesn't mean they are, or that anyone thinks they are. It just means some people might be worried because they have no way of knowing if they are or are not. Assuming you are not a rapist, it may be wise to understand that, and try to put people who may be wary of you (which you shouldn't take personally, it's because they don't know you) as ease.

For example, if you're walking behind a girl at 2 am on a dark street, there's a pretty good chance, even if you're not doing anything wrong, that she will be scared or nervous because of this. Therefore, you could simply walk to the other side of the street, and that will put them at ease. There's nothing wrong, per se, with walking behind someone on a dark street at 2 am, but nonetheless, it's going to scare people, so if you don't want to scare people, you should avoid doing it. I don't think that's such a crazy idea.

[Blubbartron]

For example, if you're walking behind a girl at 2 am on a dark street, there's a pretty good chance, even if you're not doing anything wrong, that she will be scared or nervous because of this. Therefore, you could simply walk to the other side of the street, and that will put them at ease. There's nothing wrong, per se, with walking behind someone on a dark street at 2 am, but nonetheless, it's going to scare people, so if you don't want to scare people, you should avoid doing it. I don't think that's such a crazy idea.

Except that it's not anyone's responsibility to control someone else's irrational fears, and it's insane to suggest that anyone should even attempt to. What you're suggesting is a slippery slope that logically ends at humans should never leave their houses and never interact with anyone because they could make someone else afraid/triggered/whatever.

[Koul]

Except that it's not anyone's responsibility to control someone else's irrational fears, and it's insane to suggest that anyone should even attempt to. What you're suggesting is a slippery slope that logically ends at humans should never leave their houses and never interact with anyone because they could make someone else afraid/triggered/whatever.

Yeah, that is absolutely freaking ridiculous that someone should be aware of some random man/woman/person on the street in front of em. If someone is walking behind a woman and the woman feels uncomfortable, the chick should take her life/comfort into her own hands and move to the other side of the street if she feels it's necessary to do so.

[hey]

Except that it's not anyone's responsibility to control someone else's irrational fears, and it's insane to suggest that anyone should even attempt to. What you're suggesting is a slippery slope that logically ends at humans should never leave their houses and never interact with anyone because they could make someone else afraid/triggered/whatever.

But it's not really irrational. Or even if it was, it's the most common irrational fear ever, by miles. Either way, you don't have to do almost anything to put them at ease, so why not? Is going a few seconds out of your way really not worth making someone feel safer?

[Koul]

But it's not really irrational. Or even if it was, it's the most common irrational fear ever, by miles. Either way, you don't have to do almost anything to put them at ease, so why not? Is going a few seconds out of your way really not worth making someone feel safer?

Because it's not someones responsibility to constantly be wondering if who they're walking behind is petrified they're going to get bashed in the head with a crowbar.

Nothing is preventing the person in the front to alter their path. Is going a few seconds out of your own way really not worth making you feel safer?

[NynJa]

Potential means just that: potential. It doesn't mean they are, or that anyone thinks they are. It just means some people might be worried because they have no way of knowing if they are or are not. Assuming you are not a rapist, it may be wise to understand that, and try to put people who may be wary of you (which you shouldn't take personally, it's because they don't know you) as ease.

For example, if you're walking behind a girl at 2 am on a dark street, there's a pretty good chance, even if you're not doing anything wrong, that she will be scared or nervous because of this. Therefore, you could simply walk to the other side of the street, and that will put them at ease. There's nothing wrong, per se, with walking behind someone on a dark street at 2 am, but nonetheless, it's going to scare people, so if you don't want to scare people, you should avoid doing it. I don't think that's such a crazy idea.

Yeah guys, you dirty fucking pigs, how dare you walk down the street at 2am, they're not your streets, they're the womens streets and they're trying to take them back!! But seriously, with that kind of fear mongering, I'm surprised you leave your house. Every person you encounter could be a knife wielding psycho who will stab you in the abdomen as you pass by. Every car on the road could be driven by a suicidal person looking to take as many victims as possible. Every airplane you get on could be subject to a terrorist attack.

But it's not really irrational. Or even if it was, it's the most common irrational fear ever, by miles. Either way, you don't have to do almost anything to put them at ease, so why not? Is going a few seconds out of your way really not worth making someone feel safer?

Its not the worlds responsibility to cater to womens self-instilled fears that "every man is a rapist". If youre that scared, buy some fuckin pepper spray or something. Or better yet, get beter friends who dont leave you walking home at 2am.

Which begs the question: why is a girl walking alone at 2am to begin with? Women cant go to the bathroom alone, but they're perfectly fine to walk at 2am alone?

[NynJa]

Just out of curiosity, to the other men in here: If you're walking somewhere at 1-4am, are you in your own world with headphones on, or are you also keeping vigilant towards your surroundings as well?

[hey]

Because it's not someones responsibility to constantly be wondering if who they're walking behind is petrified they're going to get bashed in the head with a crowbar.

Nothing is preventing the person in the front to alter their path. Is going a few seconds out of your own way really not worth making you feel safer?

But there is. If the person IS following them, then they might move their plans along if their victim starts trying to get away.

Yeah guys, you dirty fucking pigs, how dare you walk down the street at 2am, they're not your streets, they're the womens streets and they're trying to take them back!! But seriously, with that kind of fear mongering, I'm surprised you leave your house. Every person you encounter could be a knife wielding psycho who will stab you in the abdomen as you pass by. Every car on the road could be driven by a suicidal person looking to take as many victims as possible. Every airplane you get on could be subject to a terrorist attack.



Its not the worlds responsibility to cater to womens self-instilled fears that "every man is a rapist". If youre that scared, buy some fuckin pepper spray or something. Or better yet, get beter friends who dont leave you walking home at 2am.

You sure do love your strawmans.

Which begs the question: why is a girl walking alone at 2am to begin with? Women cant go to the bathroom alone, but they're perfectly fine to walk at 2am alone?

Who knows? Maybe she had no other choice. Maybe she isn't perfectly fine, but does it anyway, because realistically it's unlikely anyone is going to be out at 2 am, but that changes once she's already out and sees someone following behind her.



Why are you guys so strongly against going even 1 second out of your way to make a stranger feel better? Is that really such a terrible thing to ask? A few seconds every once in a while?

[thetruepandagod]

Potential means just that: potential. It doesn't mean they are, or that anyone thinks they are. It just means some people might be worried because they have no way of knowing if they are or are not. Assuming you are not a rapist, it may be wise to understand that, and try to put people who may be wary of you (which you shouldn't take personally, it's because they don't know you) as ease.

For example, if you're walking behind a girl at 2 am on a dark street, there's a pretty good chance, even if you're not doing anything wrong, that she will be scared or nervous because of this. Therefore, you could simply walk to the other side of the street, and that will put them at ease. There's nothing wrong, per se, with walking behind someone on a dark street at 2 am, but nonetheless, it's going to scare people, so if you don't want to scare people, you should avoid doing it. I don't think that's such a crazy idea.

Replace "you" with black man, and you just encouraged self segregation.