Feminism Thread

[NynJa]

and try to avoid making their life harder

If you've been so badly fearmongered by feminist bullshit that "every man is rapist", then dont walk around at 2am alone: call a cab or own some pepper spray. Its no one elses job to make "people feel less uneasy", when they are minding their own business doing absolutely nothing that should be making someone feel uneasy to begin with. Someone being uncomfortable JUST by some random person's presence is their own problem.

If you look back at this random person, and he's grabbing his dick while eyefucking you, thats a whole different story from someone whos walking behind you paying absolutely no attention to the person infront of them.

Heres an idea:
If the girl feels uncomfortable and thinks shes being followed...why doesnt SHE take the initiative and cross the street? Why doesnt SHE stop, and "look for something" in her purse while this person walks by? What part of "equality" means "its the mans job to make women feel less uncomfortable because we think all men are rapists, and your presence makes us uncomfortable"?

Nothing has changed. Shit's situational.

Oh okay, so saying "hi" in broad daylight with hundreds of other people around is "harassment", but saying "hi" at 2am with no one around is perfectly acceptable. Isnt this kinda like slut shaming in a way? Girl doesnt want to be talked to by a random guy with other people around, but its ok if theyre alone, where no ones around to judge them as a slut for talking to a random person?

Cause I'm really having problems understanding how the situation changes that "hi" is all of a sudden acceptable.

[Corresapolonia]

Yes, that's all well and good. But the entire point here is that even if you aren't doing anything wrong, your presence is going to be cause for fear 99% of the time. A decent person would realize that, and try to avoid it. Possibly by speeding up a bit, and passing them, or slowing down, and not following too closely, or maybe walking across the street, or even taking a slightly different route that still gets them where you need to go just as fast. A decent person would have even the tiniest bit of sympathy for other people, and try to avoid making their life harder, when they are able to for virtually no effort.

what are you even on about. So if i walk down a street at night and a Woman comes towards me it's best for me to change the side of the street? Why? give me an incentive other than "she's feeling safer then". I don't care if she feels safer. It's a good thing that rape and murder are illegal in this world, because otherwise i wouldve never know this. Guess what? i don't rape and kill women coming down the street at night, that means i am a decent person. But as long as i don't do anything without reason for a woman, just so she could maintain her fewwwwings of security i am a horrible person, right? Get out of here. Whats with "speeding up", "slowing down" are you trying to tell people how to walk at night? are you seriously that deluded? You are a textbook definition of an idiot actually.

Nothing has changed. Shit's situational.

It depends of course if the man is the exact picture the women likes, if he is not then he is of course harassing the poor soul. You are stupid. Put the keyboard away, and play hello-kitty-adventure.

[hey]

Do you think it's situational depending on the person who's doing the talking/initiating?

Like, you say shit's situational depending on the environment.. so what's acceptable/unacceptable changes with that. But can it also change depending on the person doing the initiating/talking?

do you mean but instead of and? And when I say I'd talk to her I didn't mean hello lol

Yes and yes.

If you've been so badly fearmongered by feminist bullshit that "every man is rapist",

I've yet to see a post from you here that didn't contain at least one straw man, glad to see you keeping that trend up.

I don't care if she feels safer.

Clearly.

[Charismatic]

I'm sorry, but the idea that one should go out of their way to make someone else fearful when you don't even know they are afraid and don't feel they should have any reason to be afraid is kind of silly.

If you're scared of a dude minding their own business, that's on you. Hell, even for black youths such as myself with the cop example, I can understand the fear 'cause even I have it sorta at times. Fact is, that's on us.
You keep your guard up and make sure to take actions that minimize risk but otherwise move the fuck on. Its not the other person's job to do anything aside from not be a shitty person. All they need to do is keep on keepin' on.

[thetruepandagod]

I can't wait until all men start to cross the street to avoid women and don't look them in the eye or speak to them during the day. Then we will get a whole different type of problems women will sling at us.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...new-study.html

[Lyall]

It's silly to imply that anybody should alter their behavior for anybody based on the grounds that someone could maybe possibly be uncomfortable with you existing near them.

Can we go full retard in a hypothetical and have someone hit the far extreme angle? Someone explain to us how crossing the street to abate a woman's potential rape fear is misogynistic because it implies a woman wouldn't be able to defend herself or something. Shitlords shouldn't assume they can read a woman's mind, nor should they project the image of a potential rape victim onto some unsuspecting woman minding her own business walking down the street.

[Day]

Some peoples children. Damn.

[Thunder]

Yes and yes.

I feel like every time we discuss I get closer and closer

Careful, next time you'll agree that I can flirt with whoever I want, whenever I want

the wink emoji on bg is retarded as fuck, btw

[BaneTheBrawler]

I was referring to the shitty loop of arguments that happens when someone makes an unconventional assertion and doesn't backpedal. It almost always results in shit flinging. I am glad that you guys stayed civil. Mostly.


See that you stay that way.

[NynJa]

I've yet to see a post from you here that didn't contain at least one straw man, glad to see you keeping that trend up.

Youre the one whos been led to believe that all men are rapists.

[kuronosan]

But it's not really irrational. Or even if it was, it's the most common irrational fear ever, by miles. Either way, you don't have to do almost anything to put them at ease, so why not? Is going a few seconds out of your way really not worth making someone feel safer?

That is incredibly irrational. If I have no intention of doing anything and someone else feels uncomfortable I'll do what I can to ease that.

I'm not going to go out of my way to as it's not my responsibility to spend my time and awareness minding that of others who don't return in kind. I'm not psychic.

Shit, why don't you just tell black people if they don't want white people to feel uncomfortable to not walk around at night wearing a hoodie and putting their hands in their pocket?

Other people aren't responsible for your security. You are.

[tyven]

UVrApe bout to serve Rolling Stone and that lying slut Jackie. FRATLIFE FOREVER BABY

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...91417805962637

[quannum]

Potential means just that: potential. It doesn't mean they are, or that anyone thinks they are. It just means some people might be worried because they have no way of knowing if they are or are not. Assuming you are not a rapist, it may be wise to understand that, and try to put people who may be wary of you (which you shouldn't take personally, it's because they don't know you) as ease.

For example, if you're walking behind a girl at 2 am on a dark street, there's a pretty good chance, even if you're not doing anything wrong, that she will be scared or nervous because of this. Therefore, you could simply walk to the other side of the street, and that will put them at ease. There's nothing wrong, per se, with walking behind someone on a dark street at 2 am, but nonetheless, it's going to scare people, so if you don't want to scare people, you should avoid doing it. I don't think that's such a crazy idea.

it's okay to be sexist, if you're a feminist.

[NynJa]

Oh okay, so saying "hi" in broad daylight with hundreds of other people around is "harassment", but saying "hi" at 2am with no one around is perfectly acceptable. Isnt this kinda like slut shaming in a way? Girl doesnt want to be talked to by a random guy with other people around, but its ok if theyre alone, where no ones around to judge them as a slut for talking to a random person?

Cause I'm really having problems understanding how the situation changes that "hi" is all of a sudden acceptable.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...liver-soon.jpg

Still would love to hear your explanation for how/why the situation changes to be acceptable at 2am.

[hey]

It's silly to imply that anybody should alter their behavior for anybody based on the grounds that someone could maybe possibly be uncomfortable with you existing near them.

It's not really a maybe, it's pretty much guaranteed in this situation.

I feel like every time we discuss I get closer and closer

Careful, next time you'll agree that I can flirt with whoever I want, whenever I want

the wink emoji on bg is retarded as fuck, btw

Nah. To give an example, the dynamics are totally different if you know the person vs if you don't, also high school friend you haven't seen in years vs immediate family/best friend/etc.

Youre the one whos been led to believe that all men are rapists.

But i haven't.

Shit, why don't you just tell black people if they don't want white people to feel uncomfortable to not walk around at night wearing a hoodie and putting their hands in their pocket?

The difference is how far out of the way they have to go. In that case, it's pretty fucking far. You'd be asking them to change their appearance, and habits. I'm asking, at most, for a few seconds, in a situation that almost never happens to most people.

[hey]

Still would love to hear your explanation for how/why the situation changes to be acceptable at 2am.

Because singling out 1 person in a crowd is different from there only being 1 other person around. Possibly the same reason it's acceptable to do in the day in texas, but not in NYC. I also didn't say it was acceptable, so good job keeping those straw men healthy.

[kuronosan]

It's not really a maybe, it's pretty much guaranteed in this situation.


Nah. To give an example, the dynamics are totally different if you know the person vs if you don't, also high school friend you haven't seen in years vs immediate family/best friend/etc.

But i haven't.

The difference is how far out of the way they have to go. In that case, it's pretty fucking far. You'd be asking them to change their appearance, and habits. I'm asking, at most, for a few seconds, in a situation that almost never happens to most people.

I can see that. I'm just wondering how effective that would really be?

Someone will always be uncomfortable, so why not educate people to be more mindful of insecurities instead of teaching people it's okay to generalize people they've never met?

That's tension we don't need.

[NynJa]

I fail to see how that question is anything remotely near a strawman argument, and your answer was pretty weak to be honest. It sounds like a fear of being slut shamed: dont want to be judged talking to a random guy in the street, but its ok without any witnesses to judge. OR, and you're going to love this one since you're pretty close to a femnazi: the poor girl at 2am is a damsel in distress and needs her 'hero' to keep her safe.

Those are strawmen, and they're still better than the answer you gave me lol

I'm asking, at most, for a few seconds, in a situation that almost never happens to most people.

oh, okay

Heres an idea:
If the girl feels uncomfortable and thinks shes being followed...why doesnt SHE take the initiative and cross the street? Why doesnt SHE stop, and "look for something" in her purse while this person walks by? What part of "equality" means "its the mans job to make women feel less uncomfortable because we think all men are rapists, and your presence makes us uncomfortable"?

[Charismatic]

It's not really a maybe, it's pretty much guaranteed in this situation.

What? No.
I assume this is what your entire thought process is based on and its simply not true. Its not like nearly every person is scared out of their mind because someone is walking the same direction as them. Get over yourself.

[Priran]

In other "Feminism helps men, and false rape allegations are a nonissue" news, that whole U of VA fraternity gangrape thing was probably a hoax and Rolling Stone is issuing a retraction as the alleged rapist does not exist and there was no party in the timeframe specified by the accuser.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...tory/19954293/