Feminism Thread

[hey]

I think this is a fair assessment of my argument. To echo what others have said, feminism (no one, really) is above being poked fun at. It's just mind-blowing that his over-the-top article critiquing how some people of a certain mindset (I really saw it as railing tumblr folks more than any one particular dichotomy that lives there) ended up drawing that EXACT sort of behavior onto himself. It would be like, to buck the belief that all people named Henry are violent, a gang of Henrys just started fucking gunning down anyone who looked them in the eyes.

I worry for you sometimes, Hey. I truly do.

Okay, glad we cleared that up. I see no reason to argue further then. Thanks for clarifying.

[NynJa]

She.

Just remember at one point you were at, or near, the top of the social food chain. Then you willingly traded it in for a pair of boobs and dropped down significantly. Dont get mad at us for being the pinnacle of priviledge, you had a spot here too, no tradebacks!!



That satire based on truths, much like the article: satire based on truths that most trigger warnings are actually fucking ridiculous.

TW: discussion about oxygen, if any of you got suffocated as a child dont read
TW: sale on matresses, if any of you were raped in a bed, dont look at these sales
TW: snapchat, your nudes were probably part of the snappening
TW: were alive, incase any of you have deceased family members
TW: dogs, cuz its the internet and cats only
TW: bullet points, incase any of you have been shot

[wipers]

Okay, glad we cleared that up. I see no reason to argue further then. Thanks for clarifying.

So what was the last 271 pages foreplay ?

[hey]

Just remember at one point you were at, or near, the top of the social food chain. Then you willingly traded it in for a pair of boobs and dropped down significantly. Dont get mad at us for being the pinnacle of priviledge, you had a spot here too, no tradebacks!!

None of that is true, please take your transmisogyny elsewhere.

So what was the last 271 pages foreplay ?

It's only been 1...

[NynJa]

And since the point i was making will probably get lost in "not answering cuz strawman", while some of the things i listed will have traumatic reprucussions later in life (the strangulation, the rape, the getting shot), the way some people complain about needing trigger warnings for some ridiculous associations to trigger any PTSD is fucking bullshit. It is akin to the "do something absolutely unnecessary to make the 0.0000001% of the world that may feel uncomfortable, comfortable".

[hey]

And since the point i was making will probably get lost in "not answering cuz strawman", while some of the things i listed will have traumatic reprucussions later in life (the strangulation, the rape, the getting shot), the way some people complain about needing trigger warnings for some ridiculous associations to trigger any PTSD is fucking bullshit. It is akin to the "do something absolutely unnecessary to make the 0.0000001% of the world that may feel uncomfortable, comfortable".

I do think there is some truth to this. It doesn't make sense to go a mile out of your way for a .0000000000001% chance of making someone a tiny bit more comfortable/less uncomfortable. Unless you have specific knowledge that such a person is around, it doesn't make sense to go far out of your way to do almost anything, really.

But at the same time, things that do not require you to go out of your way to do/not do should be. For example, if a certain word tends to offend/upset certain people, you should just not say it, because the cost of not saying it is non-existent, unless it is deeply ingrained in your vocabulary (which is not very likely unless you're a bigot), so even if the chance of anyone being offended by it is low, it's worth the near-zero cost. Similarly, sometimes things are quite likely to offend/upset someone, so you should generally try to avoid that, even if the cost of doing so is not quite so low. Sometimes this also depends on context. On bg, where most posters are straight males, there's probably not much need for TWs on almost anything. But say, on tumblr, where you might expect almost your entire audience might be queer women, there things are different, the risks are different, so while 2 seconds out of your way to write a TW might not be worth it here, it might be there.

Being sensitive of people's feelings and differences is never a bad thing. Whether or not it's worth worrying about will depend on the specific situation.

[Blubbartron]

Anyone else ever get the impression that hey lives in the land of Frozen and miraculously has no concept of what a slippery slope is?

[Melena]

Hey keeps screaming they fired him for the article yet they fired him for a loophole that was never enforced previously due to one person complaining that her wittle feewlings were hurt. In fact after reading it, they never said anything negative about the article, just that he couldn't write for two newspapers. This would be like if I screamed to Bane that Hey's posts are offensive to me, she needs to be banned, and he digs up a loophole that says you can't post in a feminism thread if you watch Johnny Bravo every day, even though Nynja watches it every day as well and isn't banned from posting in it.

[NynJa]

Person had a traumatic experience in the past where they were raped on a bed.

Mattress store has a "gigantic sale on mattresses" and puts ads out like a good company would. Said person has flashbacks over their traumatic experience, goes on tumblr and complains that this company for being so insensitive to rape survivors. Mattress store gets a barrage of hate mail and shit because of their ad.

Do you not see a problem with that? Yes, you can say its strawman because I'm not going to waste time actually citing an actual event that took place.

[Melena]

I do think there is some truth to this. It doesn't make sense to go a mile out of your way for a .0000000000001% chance of making someone a tiny bit more comfortable/less uncomfortable. Unless you have specific knowledge that such a person is around, it doesn't make sense to go far out of your way to do almost anything, really.

But at the same time, things that do not require you to go out of your way to do/not do should be. For example, if a certain word tends to offend/upset certain people, you should just not say it, because the cost of not saying it is non-existent, unless it is deeply ingrained in your vocabulary (which is not very likely unless you're a bigot), so even if the chance of anyone being offended by it is low, it's worth the near-zero cost. Similarly, sometimes things are quite likely to offend/upset someone, so you should generally try to avoid that, even if the cost of doing so is not quite so low. Sometimes this also depends on context. On bg, where most posters are straight males, there's probably not much need for TWs on almost anything. But say, on tumblr, where you might expect almost your entire audience might be queer women, there things are different, the risks are different, so while 2 seconds out of your way to write a TW might not be worth it here, it might be there.

Being sensitive of people's feelings and differences is never a bad thing. Whether or not it's worth worrying about will depend on the specific situation.

I'm sorry but i'm not going to go out of my way to change my vocabulary because some random person gets offended. If you get offended by someone calling another person a moron, i'm not going to stop calling people moron's in your presence cause it hurts your feelings.

[Melena]

I'm beginning to think in Hey's perfect world, every man will ensure they are no where near 50' of a woman while wearing a giant neon sign that says I'm not a rapist and I never say anything that could ever be considered offensive. Cause that's where this discussion is going. Again.

[Blubbartron]

I'm sorry but i'm not going to go out of my way to change my vocabulary because some random person gets offended. If you get offended by someone calling another person a moron, i'm not going to stop calling people moron's in your presence cause it hurts your feelings.

Bingo. That's basically where I was going with the slippery slope thing. There is no end when you start encouraging people to self-censor over the fear of causing offense.

[Lyall]

I'm sorry but i'm not going to go out of my way to change my vocabulary because some random person gets offended. If you get offended by someone calling another person a moron, i'm not going to stop calling people moron's in your presence cause it hurts your feelings.

This right here is the crux of it. "You shouldn't be offended by this" versus "Well I am." There's no real clear correct/incorrect opinion here.

I'm of the opinion that a lot of people need to be thicker skinned. There's my fat privilege speaking up, again, though: Not everyone has the luxury of coming from a background where they learn that some people are assholes, and how to ignore them without being a bitch about it.

[NynJa]

Being sensitive of people's feelings and differences is never a bad thing. Whether or not it's worth worrying about will depend on the specific situation.

Society as a whole had found a happy medium of what is considered being sensitive to others and whats "put on your big boy/girl pants and deal with it"

You cant go around using racial slurs, you cant go around using sex oriented slurs, you shouldnt be swearing in public, you shouldnt be eyefucking people (unless in a designated hookup zone), etc etc. Unfortunately, thanks to social media, this medium is no longer happy, and no one should be ever have to put on their big boy/girl pants anymore, its the person being overly offensive and oppressing the person who feels offended, and that person whos being offensive (even though theyre not to the other 99.99999% of people) has to change.

[Melena]

[Charismatic]

hey has gone so far towards being a caricature of a feminist that I think he's a deep cover misogynist.

This is essentially my theory, too.

[hey]

Hey keeps screaming they fired him for the article yet they fired him for a loophole that was never enforced previously due to one person complaining that her wittle feewlings were hurt. In fact after reading it, they never said anything negative about the article, just that he couldn't write for two newspapers. This would be like if I screamed to Bane that Hey's posts are offensive to me, she needs to be banned, and he digs up a loophole that says you can't post in a feminism thread if you watch Johnny Bravo every day, even though Nynja watches it every day as well and isn't banned from posting in it.

But that's not actually why he was fired, that's just the excuse they gave, because they didn't want to officially say the real reason.

Person had a traumatic experience in the past where they were raped on a bed.

Mattress store has a "gigantic sale on mattresses" and puts ads out like a good company would. Said person has flashbacks over their traumatic experience, goes on tumblr and complains that this company for being so insensitive to rape survivors. Mattress store gets a barrage of hate mail and shit because of their ad.

If enough people are bothered by it that they can't just ignore the few people complaining, then yeah, they deserve it, and should probably issue an apology. This is how the world works. When you do something that unexpectedly results in upsetting people, they complain, and then you apologize. You didn't mean any harm, so it's okay, just let them know that, and then try not to do it again. Same thing you'd do if say, you accidentally step on someone's foot.

Do you not see a problem with that? Yes, you can say its strawman because I'm not going to waste time actually citing an actual event that took place.

Surprisingly, there was no straw man in this post, good job.

I'm sorry but i'm not going to go out of my way to change my vocabulary because some random person gets offended. If you get offended by someone calling another person a moron, i'm not going to stop calling people moron's in your presence cause it hurts your feelings.

Do you also go around calling people "faggots"? Sorry, that makes you a pretty awful person.

[hey]

Society as a whole had found a happy medium of what is considered being sensitive to others and whats "put on your big boy/girl pants and deal with it"

You cant go around using racial slurs, you cant go around using sex oriented slurs, you shouldnt be swearing in public, you shouldnt be eyefucking people (unless in a designated hookup zone), etc etc. Unfortunately, thanks to social media, this medium is no longer happy, and no one should be ever have to put on their big boy/girl pants anymore, its the person being overly offensive and oppressing the person who feels offended, and that person whos being offensive (even though theyre not to the other 99.99999% of people) has to change.

If it's really 99.99999% of people who don't care, then go ahead and use the word, assuming one of those .00001% aren't present. There are many cases though where you will find that it's much higher than that, but the word is still commonly used. In those cases, or any time you are around someone who has asked you not to use a particular word, you should refrain from using them. If it's really less than 1000 people in the entire world who are offended by it, then go nuts, say it all you want (when not in their presence).

[NynJa]

Do you also go around calling people "faggots"? Sorry, that makes you a pretty awful person.

Equates "moron" to "faggot", kay.

If enough people are bothered by it that they can't just ignore the few people complaining, then yeah, they deserve it, and should probably issue an apology. This is how the world works. When you do something that unexpectedly results in upsetting people, they complain, and then you apologize. You didn't mean any harm, so it's okay, just let them know that, and then try not to do it again. Same thing you'd do if say, you accidentally step on someone's foot.

Issue an apology for running an advertisement that says "we are having a mattress sale, all mattress are half off". Because some girl who got raped feels that the word "mattress" triggers her rape memory, or "half off" triggers that the rapists just took her pants "half off"

Once again, catering to the 0.0000000001%. Yes, it sucks this hypothetical girl got raped, rapes a terrible thing, but so is getting a collective movement to tarnish a company over an advertisement that has absolutely nothing to do with rape, OR getting someone fired for a satirical article.

[Melena]

Do you also go around calling people "faggots"? Sorry, that makes you a pretty awful person.

Nope, cause I choose not to use that word. Does the word offend me though if someone calls me a faggot? No, I just laugh knowing that their brains are so tiny, all they can do is resort to calling me a faggot as they wallow in how much they hate mommy's basement while I go off to bang my wife.

In fact, to add to this, I choose not to get offended by most things. If I let every little thing offend me, I'd be a complete and total bitter asshole 24/7. About the only thing that offends me is going to a late movie and stupid parents bringing their little shits to the theater and let them run around screaming cause they can't/won't find a babysitter and feel them seeing a movie is more important than other people seeing a movie in peace.